Page Rank Weird

I am taught by you guys that inbound links create a better Page Rank. And a good Page Rank strongly influences search position.

I have a Page Rank of 2 and I have a search position of 5 on Google.

On another site which has not had one bit of optimizing at all yet and is still under construction with no inbound links at all, I have a nil Page Rank but a pretty good under the circumstances search position of 14.

Another URL I have has a search position of 3 on Yahoo, has no inbound links and a Page Rank of 1.

So, things are not easy to be definitive about. My comment is to do everything you can by learning on this forum and believe that by doing good stuff, good results will appear even if we don't really know the important and exact triggers.

I realise that competition quality also affects hugely where you end up ranking.

I tend to feel that if you keep up the pressure on yourself and don't give up, evenutally it will come good.

Thanks to you all for so much guidance.

That was a good news for you, congratulations

Wrong



Thats amazing but for which term... For "credit"? Or for "red rabbit with green ears"?



Who told you that it has no inbound links? How should Google find it without inbound links? Google is not guessing... yet.



You are right, lets learn. Start with my first answer.



Of course, thats the market.



You are welcome

1 - 10 of about 18,200 for mamod. I agree, it is a bit red rabbit with green ears-ish!

Question: What is the point of Page Rank then if it does not help searchers find you?? Have I got the wrong end of a stick??



Are you saying that Google needs inbound links to find a site? Hmmmm.

I slightly(!) confused.

Can you help me understand a bit better?

TBPR serves a few functions. 1) It encourages people to install Google tgoolbar and this TB gives google a wealth of information. 2) It reduces link selling by spammy websites 3) It helps allow people to direct their LJ to their most important internal pages.

It has nothing to do with SERPs. SERPs are determined by a combination of trust and relevance. Any link helps PR.. Relevant links help SERPs.


Well at least one inbound link from a page that is in google index.

Tip: Concentrate on prioritising getting relivant inward links from high trusted sites and make you site as sticky as possible with high quality, releivant, unique content...

Best of luck

Thank you for your helpful comments which I did not understand at all before your post.

However, I have extracted a couple of your comments which I still need clarification on.

1. You say that links do not help SERPs.
2. You also say that relevant links help SERPs.

As a lot of advice on this forum revolves around getting inbound links, and there are commercial companies out there offering programs that will help achieve them, plus there is a lot of heartache and time involved in doing it manually, WHY BOTHER AT ALL if they do not have any influence on SERPs?

If that is the case(?) then all of our efforts should be directed exclusively onto on-page optimization!

Am I still getting hold of the wrong end of the stick or what? Can you help further please.

Gazzahk made it pretty much clear although lets resolve it once again. Just any link wont help you in SERP's. Relevant links will help you in achieving a higher SERP. The link that relates to your site as per your sites theme and business. Relevancy counts in the end for SERP's. You might go on building links and they will surely help in increasing your PR, but only the relevant ones will help your SERP's. Hope i am clear now.



Thats obviously correct.




Hope you have the answer to this question by now?




Only an aspect out of the whole process is'nt going to land you in the right place.



Ummm....u seem to love that wrong end of the stick !! I hope that would have helped you a bit, if not much!!

Let me say finally now, that I fully understand at last what you guys have been saying all along. That is, RELEVANT LINKS DO HELP SERPs. IRRELEVANT LINKS DO NOT, BUT THEY HELP PAGE RANK. But Page Rank will not help my business except amongst people who think it means it is a good site because of a high PR (very few I guess).

For me, this means that just getting links as a statistical project is barking up the wrong tree (I've thrown the stick away ). I instead need to seek out relevant good sites (without any regard for their PR?) and ask for a reciprocal.

Please don't think I am ignoring much of the on-page stuff such as content in majoring on inbounds. It is just that I need to understand things better rather than just accepting advice.

Once again many thanks for your responses. You have all got me to a high SERP with my "red rabbit with green ears".

You will also get indexed without any backlinks if you verify the site in Google Webmaster Tools... usually very quickly (in my experience).

Hi modelenthusiast,

It sounds as if you have the message now... I'm glad to see you've finally stopped barking up the wrong end of the stick

Links from topically relevant sites are the key and - of course - you will benefit much more if those links are "one-way" rather than "reciprocal" (although reciprocal is far better than nothing).

An absolutley superb set of contributions from you guys that has assisted my development to SEO manhood! The penny has dropped.........

Thank you.