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Old August 19th, 2008, 03:12 PM
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Here's a benefit to using meta keywords

Maybe it helps indexing, maybe it doesn't. But I'll tell you what. Going through your site and pulling out keywords is a great way to find out what keywords are important to your site. Then, do some keyword analysis and find out which keywords will actually drive traffic.

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Maybe it helps indexing, maybe it doesn't. But I'll tell you what. Going through your site and pulling out keywords is a great way to find out what keywords are important to your site. Then, do some keyword analysis and find out which keywords will actually drive traffic.


How does this have anything to do with Meta?

Rephrasing: why can't you do this when Meta isn't there?

Rephrasing again: Have you ever been laid-off or fired?

What does the boss say - something to protect you feelings but the company's bottomline is so much more important than keeping your sorry *** around 'just because'...

That's Meta - "that dog just don't hunt anymore".
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wow

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Ive heard Matt Cutts saying that in some rare cases google will use the Description Meta tag to inform Google's snippets.


Yep, I just watched that video and was going to say the same thing.

Matt has tons of great 4 minute videos up on Google Video.

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Yep, I just watched that video and was going to say the same thing.

Matt has tons of great 4 minute videos up on Google Video.


wtf... its meta decriptions matt said they check not meta keywords.

I use meta descriptions only if i feel the content on the page is worthless to show as a snippet. By this i mean that it is a landing page with mainly graphics and only a few bullet points of text, which of course wouldnt suffice as a snippet.

If you have a lot of content on a page and do not feel the page would be good for a snippet description then re-write the content as it obviously isnt the quality that it should be for SEO.
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I use meta descriptions only if I feel the content on the page is worthless to show as a snippet.

You know that meta doesn’t help in ranking and you use if you fell the content on the page is worthless to show as a snippet but if you expend same time for modify to your content that is much better approach than using meta as I feel.

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You know that meta doesn’t help in ranking and you use if you fell the content on the page is worthless to show as a snippet but if you expend same time for modify to your content that is much better approach than using meta as I feel.


If you continue reading i state that only if there is no content on the page so its a landing page etc which is to convert traffic rather then for the website/link bait.

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wtf... its meta decriptions


That is what we were talking about.

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I was just looking at my Webmaster tools and noticed a couple misspelled keywords were ranking in the top five SERPS for that keyword. For instance, Miley Cyrus was misspelled.

The only place the misspelling occurs is in my Meta keywords.

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The only place the misspelling occurs is in my Meta keywords.


Brilliant... now you can retire on the sales that come from that!

I'm sure everyone can find a use for anything if you look hard enough... but seriously there are best practices, good practices and wasteful practices.

You hear SEO saying "it'll take 6 months to a year to see results"... and that's the reason; they waste so much time on things that do so little.

Don't show me ranks solely based on using meta keyword... so me the sales the use of the stategy provided.... if you can't - really how valuable is it to any one?

HYpe only -- you might be able to use it to sell SEO services - but I wouldn't implement to develop a successful unless you acquire an industry leader that's already has search saturation and nowhere else to go.

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I have seen many times in many seo forums some people want to prove their statement that meta tag is effect our ranking they just give us example of misspelling of words in meta tag and say their website is ranking with misspelling words in Google but the have to see their competitions we all know Google shows description which most relevant to search terms either it should meta or website content but it doesn’t meant that meta tag is effect our ranking. I am give you my example of one of my client website his main targeted keywords in goolg.co.in is call center software and from this keywords website is top 10 we do working for this keywords getting back links use our keywords (call center software) anchor tag,
But I was surprise when I see call centre software in Google.co.in also in top 10 but never worked for this keyword never add in our meta tag never add in our page content never back links from this keyword but some times our website is rank in low competitive keywords just because of follow LSI model because centre/ center is same words

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Brilliant... now you can retire on the sales that come from that!


Retire? The point is: Google does index the keywords. It only takes a second to put in a couple misspellings.

A few years ago I misspelled Terry Schiavo. I noticed tons of traffic. Back then it was an honest mistake and it was not in the keywords.

If you spend a hour or whatever on an article and it only takes a second or two to add a keyword, what is the difference, especially if it can make you a few extra bucks?

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Retire? The point is: Google does index the keywords. It only takes a second to put in a couple misspellings.

A few years ago I misspelled Terry Schiavo. I noticed tons of traffic. Back then it was an honest mistake and it was not in the keywords.

If you spend a hour or whatever on an article and it only takes a second or two to add a keyword, what is the difference, especially if it can make you a few extra bucks?


Google indexes "everything on the page" and ensures the searcher get relevant results [or what it believes is relevant results - while you brought up some good points - here are a few counter points that you need to appreciate the impact: how many searchers "ignored your listing" because "you can't spell," "don't pay attention to details," and "don't take customer care seriously," ... since all search engines show them this by denoting: "are your sure you didn't mean... correct spelling"?

Some time people "just click"... but seriously - if anyone picked up on your error [you're doing intentionally but they don't know that it's an error to them] do you really think you get another crack at them?

Most buyers pay attention to details... most searchers wanting "free stuff" don't really care to much "it's free".

Which audience are you attempting to attract?

I want paying customers... you? ...just because something "sounds good" doesn't mean it's correct.

Lastly - I don't care what you decide to do... if you and everyone else want to target searchers via Meta Descriptions or Meta Keyword that's a fair business decision and you are "informed" of the potential loses... but saying "hey use Meta .... is a goldmine with no downside [I know you didn't say that - that's implied though] it isn't that "straight forward".

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