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    No Follow Links Placed Into My Sitelinks(confirms my theory)


    I just logged into webmaster tools, and checked out what sitelinks google is diplaying this week.


    THEY have placed a no follow link into my sitelinks.


    I have a random product module on my website that produces a different URL structure than you would get from the actual category page. So I coded the module to use the no follow tag. I coded the module back in february. A while back I noticed some of these no follow links were getting a good bit of page rank.



    The actual product in question has NO links to it from other sites. This product was created in april when I started selling for this manufacturer.


    I have believed for a while user bahavior is one of the major factors with google, and have had evidence supporting this. BUT this exact element confirms my theory.

    This product in question is one of my best sellers, and always gets clicks via the random product module. I check out the site overlay with my analytics, and see the percentage of clicks, and this one is high.

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    Very interesting. Thanks for sharing this information.

    I believe that "nofollow" is like a fence. Google can see the fence, does not cross it, but can see what is on the other side. So, google knows this page exists, can see what is on it, but does not count the link into it for rankings.

    Tell us if this page has toolbar PR?
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    this is very interesting, like egol had asked, does the page have a tool bar pr? with some of the tests and questions people ask on this forum i start to wonder if no follow tags can still have some value to them... even if its just .001. I still don't believe that, but threads like this make me itch my head a little.
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    Originally Posted by EGOL
    Very interesting. Thanks for sharing this information.

    I believe that "nofollow" is like a fence. Google can see the fence, does not cross it, but can see what is on the other side. So, google knows this page exists, can see what is on it, but does not count the link into it for rankings.

    Tell us if this page has toolbar PR?
    Page rank 5, and the homepage has a 5.

    THE FUNNY THING IS, after watching my theory get confirmed little by little every week for the past couple of months. I decided to go do follow to the whole site. Yesterday I spent all day trying to re-write the URL parameters of this module to match the URL from the category view, and I got it.
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    Here is a little more
    With my sites first page rank update, My homepage got a 4.
    www.mysite.com/


    BUT the menu item link listed as "home" was a 5(which was where most users clicked, and had the most content)

    www.mysite.com/index.php?&com_content&blog-blah-blah-blah-and more etc.



    There were no links to "home"
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    Matt Cutts posted an article on PR Sculpting that is related to what you're talking about.

    PR Sculpting is the practice of using nofollow tags on your internal linking structure to try to pass around the maximum amount of PR and not give it away to other sites.

    http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/pagerank-sculpting/

    One thing is is mentioned is that PageRank IS passed through nofollow links.
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    Originally Posted by AlexTampa
    Page rank 5, and the homepage has a 5.

    THE FUNNY THING IS, after watching my theory get confirmed little by little every week for the past couple of months. I decided to go do follow to the whole site. Yesterday I spent all day trying to re-write the URL parameters of this module to match the URL from the category view, and I got it.
    Hi Alex

    Are you saying that the ONLY links pointing to that page are nofollow? I mean are there any links that you have overlooked?

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    Originally Posted by Mr Mojo Risin
    Matt Cutts posted an article on PR Sculpting that is related to what you're talking about.

    PR Sculpting is the practice of using nofollow tags on your internal linking structure to try to pass around the maximum amount of PR and not give it away to other sites.

    http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/pagerank-sculpting/

    One thing is is mentioned is that PageRank IS passed through nofollow links.
    Sorry but that's just plain wrong. It does not state that PR is passed through nofollow links, I would suggest you read it again.
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    Originally Posted by lewisdb
    Hi Alex

    Are you saying that the ONLY links pointing to that page are nofollow? I mean are there any links that you have overlooked?

    YES I am, and NO i have not overlooked any links. There are MANY products that show up in that module that have page rank. .

    BUT page rank is not in question here. Its the importance of user behavior.

    All other links to that page are NOT the same URL. There are different parameters that are produced by the random product module. Thats why I no followed it in the first place.
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    Originally Posted by AlexTampa
    YES I am, and NO i have not overlooked any links. There are MANY products that show up in that module that have page rank.

    BUT page rank is not in question here. Its the importance of user behavior.
    But your suggesting that those pages have PR due to the user data, no?
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    Originally Posted by AlexTampa
    All other links to that page are NOT the same URL. There are different parameters that are produced by the random product module. Thats why I no followed it in the first place.
    Just curious - How are they different? Is it a completely different set of parameters, or are they just in a different order?

    Also, is the page rank different when you look at it from the other URLs pointing to it?
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    Originally Posted by lewisdb
    But your suggesting that those pages have PR due to the user data, no?

    Not entirely the only reason. BUT I am not suggesting. I am telling you.

    this is not the only data I have supporting this, but its all I will disclose at this time. The parameter variations have been fixed. I have data from almost 2 years ago suggesting user behavior can affect PR.

    There is a reason the gog says "create useful content". Between analytics, and the users toolbar,, they will get their user behavior data.
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    Originally Posted by jsteele823
    Just curious - How are they different? Is it a completely different set of parameters, or are they just in a different order?

    Also, is the page rank different when you look at it from the other URLs pointing to it?
    before the fix, different order

    The module would produce the url as so

    page=category_id=123&product_id=blah blah

    and from category view

    page=product_id=blah blah&category_id=123

    PR is same
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    Originally Posted by AlexTampa
    before the fix, different order

    The module would produce the url as so

    page=category_id=123&product_id=blah blah

    and from category view

    page=product_id=blah blah&category_id=123

    PR is same
    I would think that just a different order could be something easily overcome by Google. If you search for the different URLs in Google, do they return different pages?
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    Did a search for the keyword, and at #1 with the no follow url structure there
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