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Old September 7th, 2008, 04:21 PM
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New Site is it possible to compete

Hi everyone,

I'm in the process of starting my first website. My problem is how do I compete with my competitors if they are using article spinners and submitters, and therefore have hundreds of thousands of links already in place?

Is it really possible to catch them in the search results or is it a mega task that only a select few achieve?

Thanks in advance Slooshy.

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Old September 7th, 2008, 06:02 PM
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Can you? Yes.

Will you? That depends on your committment to your goals. You need to realize that this is a full time pursuit that will probably take many years, especially if this is your first website.

Example: I've been building sites for as long as there have been sites. I've been working relentlessly using SEO for only about 5-6 years now to gain #1 positions. Though I've acquired #1 for many of my desired keywords, a few of the REALLY big ones are still out of reach. 1 keyword in particular has eluded me for years, and I'm still #11. After years of hard work, I still am not on the front page. But that's ok, because I'm confident that with hard work and brighter thinking, I can out-do the competition.

First you have to have the tools to be able to build a well optimized site. Then you need the understanding to promote your site and build traffic. And finally you need to have the endurance to run well-maintained campaigns that lead to conversions. This is really simplified, but my point is that you have to be prepared for a fulltime job that will take a good chunk of your life. If you're looking for easy money without doing much, you're going to be disappointed.
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Old September 7th, 2008, 08:43 PM
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thats right.. besides it usually takes some time.. patience is a must..
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Hi everyone,

My problem is how do I compete with my competitors if they are using article spinners and submitters, and therefore have hundreds of thousands of links already in place?


This should actually make your task easier not tougher.

Article spinners produce crap and attract crappy links.

You can certainly beat them with superior content and fewer quality links. Don't get intimidated by mere volume of their back links.

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Firstly, u need a good old domain, better with PR, these days, I don't see any domain which is registered after 2008 rank well on any keywords. So if you use a new domain, google will toss you to sandbox at least half year without any reason.

After you have a good old domain, u can do anything as dirty as what your competitors doing, even more dirty than them, it just depends your choice.

Greetings, after several months, u done, and your next plan would be how to keep ranking and how to make competitor fear you
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Firstly, u need a good old domain, better with PR, these days, I don't see any domain which is registered after 2008 rank well on any keywords. So if you use a new domain, google will toss you to sandbox at least half year without any reason.

After you have a good old domain, u can do anything as dirty as what your competitors doing, even more dirty than them, it just depends your choice.

Greetings, after several months, u done, and your next plan would be how to keep ranking and how to make competitor fear you


You've made alot of assumptions there that are blatantly wrong. Firstly you don't need an old domain in order to get ranked 1st, and PR is irrelevant to search engine rankkings. Also playing "dirty" MAY produce short-term goals but expect to get banned or penalised.

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You've made alot of assumptions there that are blatantly wrong. Firstly you don't need an old domain in order to get ranked 1st, and PR is irrelevant to search engine rankkings. Also playing "dirty" MAY produce short-term goals but expect to get banned or penalised.
Yes, I do believe PR has nothing to do with SERP itself, but everyone knows the benefits of a old domain with high PR, especially with big boy competitors.

What can I say about punishment or ban? If you don't commit something within your own site, it won't incur any punishment from G, so u can apply any dirty tactics outside your site.

BTW, I use "dirty" to refer two means both considered "unnature", one is manipulating SERP, one is scaring your competitors. U could not expect the one scaring competitors manipulates SERP just like could not expect the one manipulating SERP scare competitors.

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