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Old March 22nd, 2007, 05:32 AM
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Red face My results of an "allinanchor:keywords" Google search

I was reading another thread and Noj had mentioned doing an "allinanchor:keywords" check to someone that thinks their site is in the sandbox. I tried the allinanchor search for my site, and it came up as #22, on page 3 for Christian art. I usually use Search Engine Genie to check my Google ranking for these two major keywords that I have been waiting for, and working on building backlinks for as well. This morning I supposedly ranked #721 on Google for "Christian art", using Search Engine Genie, but can't find my site anywhere. Since this is a huge difference, being #22 for the allinanchor:christianart, and not anywhere, or even at 721, does this mean that I am in the sandbox for these two competive keywords? Is it a good sign that I'll be "coming out" soon? This website has been online for 7 months now, so it is considered quite new to Google, but I was hoping to be showing up a little better by now for the keywords "Christian art". Please let me know your thoughts on this, and any tips on what I should do, or what I may be doing wrong, besides checking my rankings so much (LOL). I have to go now, I have to take 35 8th graders on a trip to a museum today, I'll be sure to take plenty of extra strength Tylenol with me, LOL!
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 05:49 AM
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I was reading another thread and Noj had mentioned doing an "allinanchor:keywords" check to someone that thinks their site is in the sandbox. I tried the allinanchor search for my site, and it came up as #22, on page 3 for Christian art. I usually use Search Engine Genie to check my Google ranking for these two major keywords that I have been waiting for, and working on building backlinks for as well. This morning I supposedly ranked #721 on Google for "Christian art", using Search Engine Genie, but can't find my site anywhere. Since this is a huge difference, being #22 for the allinanchor:christianart, and not anywhere, or even at 721, does this mean that I am in the sandbox for these two competive keywords? Is it a good sign that I'll be "coming out" soon? This website has been online for 7 months now, so it is considered quite new to Google, but I was hoping to be showing up a little better by now for the keywords "Christian art". Please let me know your thoughts on this, and any tips on what I should do, or what I may be doing wrong, besides checking my rankings so much (LOL). I have to go now, I have to take 35 8th graders on a trip to a museum today, I'll be sure to take plenty of extra strength Tylenol with me, LOL!
Thanks so much in advance for any help!

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Most probably, your site is still in the Google sandbox.

Keep building links slowly and steadily and update your content regularly and you'll come out of it soon. It's a phase everyone goes through.

Let me know how your trip to the museum was. Have a great day and have fun.

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Old March 22nd, 2007, 06:22 AM
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I used to use this search engine genie site, but there script shows wrong results these days.. I hope you noticed that? So instead i signed up my 4th account, dugg up an old API key and track my SERPS..

allinanchor query is made to see the ranks of sites arranged according to more backlinks on the top (then decending order of that particular SERPS) targetting that keyword... its not a complete, yet, gives a vague idea that it cud be sandbox..

keep on rotating anchors and keep building links..(preferably select keywords that are low profile though relevant) and you will come out pretty soon..
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mentioned doing an "allinanchor:keywords" check to someone that thinks their site is in the sandbox. I tried the allinanchor search for my site, and it came up as #22, on page 3 for Christian art, does this mean that I am in the sandbox for these two competive keywords?
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No it does not mean that. It may indicate that. But allinanchor is not an anti sandbox shower as such. It shows something... Some people beleive it indicates what you will gain out of sandbox. But easy to see this is not the case if I do an allinanchor for my non sandboxed terms it is different from what googel live serch shows.

faith remember some/many do not even believe the sandbox exits. Just keep optimizing you site and getting qulaity links. You will achieve your goal.
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No it does not mean that. It may indicate that. But allinanchor is not an anti sandbox shower as such. It shows something... Some people beleive it indicates what you will gain out of sandbox. But easy to see this is not the case if I do an allinanchor for my non sandboxed terms it is different from what googel live serch shows.

faith remember some/many do not even believe the sandbox exits. Just keep optimizing you site and getting qulaity links. You will achieve your goal.


true gazzahk, but its the best rough test we have for in the sandbox.

I would give you odds of 50:1 if you want to argue against that if your rank #22 for all anchor and #721 for a normal search. You are still suffering froma sandbox effect.

If you ranked #22 for allinanchor and #34 for standard search id say improve your on page optimisation, but a difference of that much, in site of this age has to be the sandbox.

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To give the full explanation to the best of my knoweldge.

allinanchor: shows only offpage ranking factors, which do not include sandbox effect

A normal search includes ,off page ,on page and aging factors (with does include sandbox). So you would expect some deviation.

However if a young site shows more than 20 pts advantage in the allinanchor i would usually say thats aging filters in opperation.

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The explanation that I quite like is that Google actually maintains two indexes, a short index and a long index which is a superset of the short index. (Actually three indexes if you count the supplemental).

For a competitive search term Google goes first to the short index, only resorting to the long index if it doesn't get 1000 results. For non-competitive keywords it just uses the long index. This would make sense from an efficiency point of view as the competitive search terms are the most commonly used and it takes less processing power if the search only has to span a reduced index set. The allinchor: search is always non-competitive and so always comes from the long index.

So a sandboxed site is one whuch has not yet met the criteria, presumably based on trust and aging, to qualify for the short index. This would consistent with statements from Google that the sandbox was not an intentional feature, but one that emerged from other changes.
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I worry about a good christian making comments like this.

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I worry about a good christian making comments like this.


Very funny Noj,
I didn't even think of that until now, and I know you must be kidding! (LOL)!

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Thanks for all of your help guys, I will keep working on backlinks, and also waiting, and praying, that I'll be in a decent position in the SERPs soon for the keywords "Christian art".

Pro_Seo, the trip to the museum was nice, since we went to the Hayden Planetarium, which I always enjoy, but the bus ride with (48 in all) very noisy teenagers was not so fun, I'm still recuperating ...Thanks for asking!

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The allinanchor command shows you who has the most links with the keyword text as requested after the allinanchor.

It takes no account of link strength. If you have lots of poor qulaity links with your keyword as an anchor text you will show extremly well with this command. If these links are like forum signatures, link farms etc they will not help your rankings.

Also if you have keywords combinations that are not in any significant amount of anchor text it will not show you. ie authority sites donot really show up in this command but do in live search. I have many keywords that come up first that do not show up at all with this command.

I do agree that it is an indicator of where you will end up but that all. It depends on your linking strategy. I personally do think the sandbox does exist. I like johns explaination it appears to be logocal.

There does appear that many sites do suffer some type of aging filter.

Personally my most competative keywords took nine months before they were appearing on the SERPs

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I agree with gazzahk...
The allinanchor command shows you who has the most links with the keyword text as requested after the allinanchor.

It takes no account of link strength. If you have lots of poor quality links with your keyword as an anchor text you will show extremly well with this command. If these links are like forum signatures, link farms etc they will not help your rankings.

What you can control is the number of links you can get... the strength of the links you have will change over time... a new site today may end up to be the juice that will keep you alive tomorrow...
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