Multiple back links from the same site

Hello,

In a previous thread, I attempted to address the question of multiple links, but this lead to a discussion on forum signatures, so please let me try again.

Say you get 100 links from the same site. These links come from different sub-domains or directories. It could be one www.abc.site.com and another one from www.xyz.site.com, etc.
Does google just continue adding them up for pr purpose?

Or it could be www.site.com/dir1/abc.htm, www.site.com/dir2/bcd.htm, etc

I have seen a quasi-spammy site getting pr3 with tons of links from the same source, so how does it work?

First excuse me for my ignorance, SEO_AM has already slapped me once.

Another example is bloggers. They all put a list of other bloggers on their main page. So if there is, and there are, a crazy blogger, say pr4, who blogs hundreds of pages, this gives 100s of backlinks to the people on the list.

It seems that it is very easy for a blogger to reach pr2 this way.

The question is how does this work if you get tons of links from the same source? the pr formula must be modified to give a lower weight to the latest links, no??

For example I am looking at a blog pr2 but it has 10k back links, lol

The conventional wisdom is, and has been for quite some time, that multiple links from the same site count as one so there's really no advantage.

In reality though... it's been said for quite awhile and I know that it was assumed to be so for PR long before it was actually true. It'd be easy enough to test, I just haven't seen or participated in similar relating to SERPS and the PR testing was over a year ago.

It's always been the case though.... if you're going to be getting multiple links from the same site try to get unique anchor text to unique pages/sections from related pages. I'm guessing, that if tested, it might be different than one would assume as long as they didn't comprise the majority of your links.

all links are added by google but not shown as backlinks. I have good experience in getting PR 3 fast.

May be you've gotted lots of backlinks from same domain are network links that are not much prefered by google or in other words you may say useless... So try to get relevant links from PR sites..

all links from the same site will be counted as backlink if it those get indexed on search engines...

Why does it matter PR is not important. I spent loads of time trying to improve my PR based on the assumption this would have me placed higher in the serps. I even compromised the quality of the link if it was from a high PR site.

Link popularity is far more important and if you focus on this a great bi product is a natural increase in PR (for what it is worth)

You might be surprised to know that once I had stopped focusing on PR and instead developing great quality content that attracts links naturally my PR has gone from PR2 to PR5!

Hello,

Thanks for the responses.

I am not going to participate in the debate of determining if pr matters or not; what I know is there is on on average a direct relation between placement in serp and pr. Also if you have pr0 it is much more difficult to exchange a link with a pr4 site than if you were pr3. But lets leave this aside for a while.



The point is not that. The question is if you have tons of links from subdomains of the same site, does it add up for pr.

I know a site which got pr3 in about 4 months and which is totally based on spam. They have 850 back links; of these, 456 come from the same site which appears to be possibly fabricated and spam. 130 comes from another site. etc.

All these 850 are unrelated to his content, but each time the anchor text is good.

So it seems that:
1/google can be deceived easily
2/anchor text matters much more than the overall theme of the site sending the link.

Am I correct?

Hey by the way lewis,

you got to pr5. what is your theme?

in my field you cannot got pr5 like that. only the ultimate brands are pr6 and the excellent old sites are pr5.

The only reason that there is a (perceived) relationship between PR and ranking in serps is this. If you gain back links you will naturally increase your PR over time. Positioning in the serps has more to do with link popularity (among many others). It makes sense therefor that a site with great link popularity will also have good PR. My point is this. You need to spend less time worrying about PR and more time worrying about number of visitors and ultimately sales. There is no point in having a high PR site that does not place in the serps!

I am doing keyword research at the moment for a site and have found numerous terms for which a PR1 site is out ranking a PR6 site in the serps. If you analyze this with various tools it is quite clear to see that the PR1 site has many more links and they have focused on quality,context and where possible have including anchor text complimenting the search term.

PR is for show but the SERP's are for dough!

Just one final thing, I dont think that PR is relative to an industry based on the fact that it is a standard mathematical formula that is used to calculate it. It should in theory be no more difficult for me to get PR5 than it is for you

In a sense that's true: a link will have no more or no lesser value based on the topical niche. What is different however, is the number of links realistically available. A blog about SEO has more chance of a higher PR homepage than one about lawncare advice, since there are far more related sites and blogs likely to link to the SEO blog than there are sites about lawns and lawncare.

Another prime example is the adult industry -- there's less PR floating around adult sites because they can only realistically link to each other, with few non-adult sites choosing to link in.

I dont really have the entire day to argue about pr.

Of course pr depends on the industry.
a search engine site can get pr10
a porn site, I dont know, I dont care 4??
a poker site 6

so what is your industry lewis??

It is funny how the old timers like to agree among themselves on this site. You must feel more confident when it happens!

The point I failed so far to make is that you cannot compare pr5 between two industries.

In my industry which is poker, it is impossible to get pr5 in 1-2 years, or to jump from pr2 to pr5 by improving content like you said you did lewis. Hear me well, impossible!

So lewis are you afraid to tell me your industry???

You really are not reading the responses are you?

I am in the mobile phone industry(amongst others)

The purpose of my comment was supposed to help you out and let you know that if you are focusing on PR then you are wasting your time. If you disagree that's cool carry on with what you are doing.

And as for me being an old timer that is ridiculous! I have just taken what people on the site have advised and expanded with extra reading. I am relatively new to SEO. You might find that the reason a lot of the guys with a high number of posts and good reputation agree is that they know what they are talking about??

In my opinion you are way of the mark. It doesnt matter what industry that your in. If produce some fantastic video content that is linked to from enough high PR sites then my pr would increase. Doesnt matter what the niche is. Perhaps if you use your logic the you will find it impossible to increase PR