Page 3 - Major Fluctuations. New update?

hmm sounds familiar oh yeah ADWORDS.

No... Links will reamain the basis of ranking for the forseeable future. The are 10s of millions of pages that are available when a searcher enters a query. Google needs to bring these down to a few. User behavior will mostly only play a role on the first two pages I would imagine. ie links will determine the base set of SERPs but user behavior will have the power to overide the LJ data and re-order rankings. User behavior will only move SERPs if the user behavior data is strobgly suggesting SERPs should be reordered IMO.

As for geotargetting what the 'ideal' is sussposed to be is that if a person in Seattle types 'plumber' in google and person in newyork types 'plumber' and a person in Hong Kong types 'plumber' all three will get a list of plumbers from there geographic location. I would think that the easiest way for google to do this would be to place greater emphasis on onpage locational data. ie street adresses on websites etc. This would in most/many instances be sufficent to achieve there results.

But I do agree that if the top pages for a geographic enterned result recieved a high bounce rate this could definatley be a factor in reordering SERPs. ie If a 'plumber's' site had so much link juice that it come up well no matter if the searcher typed 'seattle plumber' or Hong Kong plumber' but then received a very high bounce rate this could see SERPs drop. I personally do not think that Google is trying to get 'plumber' query geotargetted. There is no need searches used more refined queries than this. I do believe that google is trying to get 'seattle plumber' geotargetted though. (All speculation)

I agree - it seems a logical way to deal with the ever increasing amount of data available on the web. It's what I meant earlier in the post but you explained it far better IMO to do it though would mean a fair amount of structural database changes and I think that's what we're seeing with these fluctuations - some teething problems with changes made to databases on certain ip addresses.

I agree - user behaviour is causing a rearrangement of SERPs, but in the event of people checking their own SERP rankings by entering that term and impulsively clicking on their result it is skewing things.
I am in touch with many webmasters and in the past three weeks several have reported that not only have they been knocked down to a PR3 from a 5 or 6, they have also had their backlinks removed (whatever that means in physical reality). One guy had over 200 backlinks and was knocked down to 14.
I have a couple of terms I monitor and the results have been changing a lot in the past couple of weeks. It is too early for another real shakeup, so is this behavior by G been seen before, or do they normally only fiddle with such things when they do the quarterly PR update?

Wow, seeing some effects in traffic in most of my sites after the weekend.

Some crazy fluctuations today in my field. Some good, some not so good. I'll not worry until it's all settled down.

seeing nothing major, but there's been some definate movement on my sites.....mostly up thankfully.....I will expect to see it in the toilet tomorrow

Anyone read this before?

http://www.news.com/Googles-secret-of-success-Dealing-with-failure/2100-1032_3-5596811.html

Thought it made for quite a bit of interesting reading as I'd always wondered how they organised such vast quantities of data on such cheap pc's. Just a thought if the retrieval system they have - if they still use it - could be part of the reason some legit sites sometimes disappear from the web during some tweaks - a glitch in the Matrix (so to speak) It's an old article I know and Google's infrastructure is far larger and more complex now I would have thought and it's total speculation but I don't believe any system is perfect and failsafe.

200 is that all? i have 50k+... the links he had probably were devalued, if he concentrated on getting more quality links then he would have been fine. Also websites do not show all links by using link:query. That is nothing to go on.



I doubt now adays google are having the same issues as back then. if it was a temp glitch it would have been fixed ages ago instead of still continuing.

I agree with gazzahk. I've always felt a different algo is in play for the first 2 pages.

We all know hardly anyone looks past page two, so why would Google waste all their computing power sorting all the results to the same degree?

Ed

yeah i do agree also, i observe some heavy dancing in the 1st two pages. Does anyone observe this also? Cheers.

today, i experience a major flux in one of my keywords, it is unranked at first then moments later, it appeared 1st in a certain country then it dropped at the 2nd spot

Check your keywords in different datacenter mcdar.net
Two possibilities should be there
One data centre fluctuation
2nd is you competitors have worked well than you.
So, I suggest check you back link and your competitor back link. Wait for some times and keep going on your link building.

guys really, thank you for this post, since i was thinking about starting a new thread.

throughout the past and this week listings of our company and of some competitors are jumping all the way around, we've been on the first page a couple days ago and now back to second and with others - on third. what is the cause of this daily jumping?