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Old November 19th, 2009, 09:51 PM
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Is their a way to knock off your competition thats above you? Prize for answer.

If i'm 3 pages behind on a keyword is their a way I can attack the competitions sites so I can rank 1? Please email me the answer golfemperor1@gmail.com I will give a free for life pass to my auction site for the winner to this question. Thanks
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hmmm.. we can answer your question for free.. by the way, lurking on your competitors site can give you some ideas on how they optimize their site.. and then do much better than that..
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If i'm 3 pages behind on a keyword is their a way I can attack the competitions sites so I can rank 1? Please email me the answer golfemperor1@gmail.com I will give a free for life pass to my auction site for the winner to this question. Thanks
Interesting approach to get an answer. How will you be able to give me my prize when you don't know what the correct answer is?

Stop worrying so much about your competition and worry about your site and what you can deliver to your visitors. Like lefty said, you can use your competitors sites as a source to see what they are doing. You need to do more and better than what they are doing. Providing content that other webmasters can link to will help you overcome your competitors. Make your site the best on the web. No need to resort to attacks on your competitors. Karma is a killer. What goes around will eventually come around.....
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If i'm 3 pages behind on a keyword is their a way I can attack the competitions sites so I can rank 1? Please email me the answer golfemperor1@gmail.com I will give a free for life pass to my auction site for the winner to this question. Thanks


Yes there is... Rank above them by getting better links through more linkable content and resources.
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The form of your question is totally wrong, as you've probably figured out from the other posts here. If you're focused on attacking your competition's site, who's paying attention to improving yours?

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Thanks terri wells but just beating them in links doesn't alwasy mean you will beat them on the engine. Alot of people are relutant to give info in this forum I can understand its yall bread and butter I guess I'm going to have to pay someone to teach me.
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I personally think your taking the wrong approach to SEO, its not about attacking your competitors, its about being BETTER than them. From what you have said it sounds like you want sabotage your competitors website. This is 1.Illegal and 2. an Unethical approach to business.

If you really have a problem with SEO you have a number of options.

.Hire an SEO Proffessional (can be costly)
.Seek SEO services via a consultancy
.Google Adwords (Again a more costly approach)
.Take an SEO course, go to SEO seminars etc...


Sorry if i misunderstood you query regarding 'attacking' them. I just think your time and efforts should be spent worrying about YOU and not them.

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All of the info' you need is available here... some takes a little digging out but it's not through reluctance to give it... Just that there are so many threads/questions posted here daily that only so many get the attention of those "in the know".
Coupled with the fact that many inexperienced and less-knowledgeable members fill threads with the same one-line replies it can sometimes be a long task to find the key posts... So yes, it does take time and if you don't have that time to study, you are better to pay for the help.

If/when you do have the time, start with the "new to seo..." link below my sig' and you can start to figure it out for yourself.

Of course you can also ask direct questions (and even ask for a site review) but you have to know enough to ask the right questions!

Sorry for the ramble... Knock off your competitors? No (unless you find they're doing something "blackhat" in which case you could report them to G for spam... but in the end, if you spend your time doing that sort of thing, someone else will just come along and take their place.

The best approach is to improve your site rankings until you overtake them.
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Actually you do analyze and then "attack" your competitors, i.e. business is war.

In most university MBA curriculums required reading and study is The Art of War by Sun Tzu. The biggest admonition by Sun Tzu is to "know your enemy" (competitors). That competitive (enemy) analysis should indicate where the competitor (enemy) is strong and where the competitor (enemy) is weak. You then devise a strategy to take advantage of (attack) their weaknesses. You attack weaknesses while, in most cases, not focusing on their strengths.

There is a lot to learn in The Art of War. Not the least of which is if you lack the resources to win... you try to find ways to work together (a peace treaty).
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I hear that particular book mentioned pretty frequently. One of these days I'm going to have to read it. I do wonder if choosing not to fight and simply minding one's own garden is a valid "strategy."

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Actually you do analyze and then "attack" your competitors, i.e. business is war.

In most university MBA curriculums required reading and study is The Art of War by Sun Tzu. The biggest admonition by Sun Tzu is to "know your enemy" (competitors). That competitive (enemy) analysis should indicate where the competitor (enemy) is strong and where the competitor (enemy) is weak. You then devise a strategy to take advantage of (attack) their weaknesses. You attack weaknesses while, in most cases, not focusing on their strengths.

There is a lot to learn in The Art of War. Not the least of which is if you lack the resources to win... you try to find ways to work together (a peace treaty).
Interesting perspective SEO. I like this approach and explanation, thanks.

I think most people struggle with how to identify a strength vs a weakness. Many people see a ton of backlinks and automatically right themselves off thinking they could never get that many links for their site. Meanwhile, all it would take is a dozen higher quality links and they would be in good shape. They fail to identify the quality of the links.

I think it would be helpful (for myself too) if you would be willing to, elaborate on this and help identify what could be a sites strength's and weaknesses as well how to determine what is a strength and what is a weakness. What to look for, where to look, etc.

I like where this convo is going....

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I hear that particular book mentioned pretty frequently. One of these days I'm going to have to read it. I do wonder if choosing not to fight and simply minding one's own garden is a valid "strategy."
Yes, but not through ignorance of what your competitors (enemies) are doing. You will have to develop a defensive strategy. However, that allows your competitors (enemies) to decide when and where you will have to compete (fight). I would rather make that choice myself... Thus the saying: 'The best defense is a good offense.'

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I do wonder if choosing not to fight and simply minding one's own garden is a valid "strategy."
Of course you're both right... attacking your competitor / fighting are natural consequences of improving your own rankings, and analyzing the competition is sound business sense in any arena.

It's the thread title that's misleading; the phrase "knock off your competiton" infers trying to demote them as opposed to trying to promote yourself.

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re: "knock them off?"

Yeah, I can do that. As a canuck, I've still got my trusty Winchester 30-30 and while it's generally a deer rifle, yeah...it'd work to "knock off" any competitor...

Just send me thru a recent pix, their home address and when you want them "knocked off" -- oh, if it's next week I'd have to charge you our holiday rate....even assassins gotta cover their overheads, eh!



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