Page 2 - Information Retrieval Based on Historical Data - Sandbox Explanation, Aging Delay?

Im curious to read this over twice and really get into it in great detail. I think it would be good if we got a few people to intrepret this and then compare what everyone has to say. This way we can combine those ideas and get a general opinion that should prove to be more accurate.

Aged links just proves to me that you should go balls to the wall getting links when you first get your site. It'll hit the sandbox, come out and you'll have great rankings

G-Man

23. The method of claim 22, wherein the behavior of links relate to at least one of appearance and disappearance of one or more links pointing to the document.

LOL - ouch. Sounds like they plan to (or already have) take into account things like the coop and purchased text links (ads).

Edit:

Yep. Look at this:

59. The method of claim 58, wherein the adjusting the ranking includes penalizing the ranking if the longevity indicates a short life for the linkage data and boosting the ranking if the longevity indicates a long life for the linkage data.

G-Man

Im reading this from the bottom up because I guess it seems to be a lot of parts more than a whole pie to me. Did anyone get the images to load properly. Im trying to view them and I dont seel them.

[0135] The foregoing description of preferred embodiments of the present invention provides illustration and description, but is not intended to be exhaustive or to limit the invention to the precise form disclosed.

this line (near the bottom of the document), tapped in after the reader has been excited and exhausted from the apparent rush of information above it, in fact greatly damages all of the information that precedes it. it is a loophole that gives the applicant free reign to do as they please regardless of the stated methods. however, I'd like to review what other information may be culled from this discussion, but i don't think this changes much for now.

No images loading for me.

G-Man

anybody have a summary yet?

Be afraid...be very very afraid

G-Man

I should have a summary around 10am PST tomorrow. It's a ton of work...

So one of the things that strikes me is that there's been a lot of talk about the importance of beefing up your content. The first 15 claims speak entirely about the importance of adding new content, updating it regularly, and even determination of what's good content and what isn't.

I recently had a patent granted and one of the main points our atty stressed ad nauseum is that claim 1 is what you're trying to get granted. Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will ;-), but their claim 1 is WAAAAAY broad, and would be amazing if it got granted this way.

Also important to note that this is Patent Pending. It hasn't been granted yet. If they didn't have 1000 round trips with the examiner and spend millions it would be incredible.

Its typical of companies to use general statements in their patents in order to delay the process of the patent becoming public information. The more general they make it the longer the review process can go. This process can go on for years, yet the company is still protected for the entire time the patent is pending.

Let me know if I can help with the summary Rand. It will be nice to be able to show clients some actual hard coded proof that the concepts we have been talking about for the past year are actually real and not just theorized.

I think it is important though to realize that many of the concepts they are talking about may take years to implement, and in some cases they may never be implemented. It is however a good blueprint for creating a optimization strategy that will stand the test of time.

Jarrod Hunt

This document makes me wonder how far they've moved on in a year and a half. My first guess would be: light years.

I'm glad though that we recognise most of the "methods" mentioned in the application. Also note that not everything that is covered in the document is necessarily implemented in real life. Heh, believe me, I've got my name (as a co-inventor) on some patent application, but the invention proved to be too difficult/expensive for a struggling company to develop.

In short, most patent applications only serve as a safeguard, to buy a little time. That and to annoy as many competitors as possible - I can imagine

This is really great piece of information.

First I couldn't understand a bit but i read it the second time, I got the essence of it.

Great Phoenix

For more comments and interpretations, also take a look here:
http://www.threadwatch.org/node/2115

All those companies selling links where you can get 1000's over night are going to get hammered, thus the price to do this is going to go way down. Making it cheap to go out and link to your competitors from sites not related to their topic and instantly sandboxing them.

And a neat little list from wmw......

-Carry on building links for ever. Old links decay in value.
-Don't add them too fast, or risk the spam filter.
-Don't add them too slowly or you won't get enough.
-Get links from fresh pages
-ask linking site to move the link to a different page to make it "fresher"
-Vary anchor text over time
-Don't change the content of your key pages as not to reflect incoming anchor
-register your domain for several years
-Use a solid server for nameservers (whatever that means)
-add new pages/content to your site all the time (poor bastards with lots of content need to add content faster)
-get all your buddies to add your site to their favourites
-link out to Amazon
-Put Adsense on your site and make sure it gets good clickthrough
-Rank well in the past because Google counts your old rank in the current rank.
-Don't jump up and down in the serps too much. Google likes stable rankings.
-make your site sticky. Sticky sites are favoured.

I have to say I don't think all of these things are going to be or already are implemented. It seems a lot of this is, we could do this or we might not