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    If You Are Ranking High In Bing? Does It Mean


    If you have a number #1 position in bing/yahoo, is this a good indication that google will come around at some point?

    Or completely unrelated and meaningless.
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    Originally Posted by Sean Morey
    Or completely unrelated and meaningless.
    This has my vote....
    Live the moment
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    Every time I decrease rank in Google, my Bing ranking improves & vise versa.

    I don't if that's coincidence but every single time for my high traffic keywords, that is the case.
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    IRRELEVANT

    Different algorithms

    Now that google killed EMD's for most cpc terms over 5 bucks

    THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS LONG TERM SEO

    The key to SEO for close to 20 years was EMD, you developed out a high end EMD, you were top of all 3 search engines for YEARS

    Now you are still on top yahoo and bing, and you get 5% of the traffic you got when you were on top of google

    The KILL SWITCH on EMD's ended all serious long term SEO development

    GAME OVER PEOPLE

    95% of traffic comes from google

    And they know what they own

    SO THEY ARE FORCING EVERY LEGIT WEB SITE TO PPC

    Now if you want to spend a ton of time doing bs 'seo work' that is not long term, waste your time, we had EMD's on top of google FOR YEARS

    We still have a ton on top of google

    All the terms not worth much in CPC

    If it makes money for google they target any sites hitting long term seo spots

    Just look at the garbage google now serves up in serp's for most local professional terms

    CITY LAWYER and PLASTIC SURGEON

    where are all the developed EMD's with quality content

    GONE

    what's in their place crap listings on YP and YELP and reach

    GARBAGE is now the norm at google

    so waste your time saying you can do long term SEO

    you can't

    no such thing any more

    GOOGLE KILLED THE WHOLE SEO GIG
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    Originally Posted by 1leads
    IRRELEVANT

    Different algorithms

    Now that google killed EMD's for most cpc terms over 5 bucks

    THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS LONG TERM SEO

    The key to SEO for close to 20 years was EMD, you developed out a high end EMD, you were top of all 3 search engines for YEARS

    Now you are still on top yahoo and bing, and you get 5% of the traffic you got when you were on top of google

    The KILL SWITCH on EMD's ended all serious long term SEO development

    GAME OVER PEOPLE

    95% of traffic comes from google

    And they know what they own

    SO THEY ARE FORCING EVERY LEGIT WEB SITE TO PPC

    Now if you want to spend a ton of time doing bs 'seo work' that is not long term, waste your time, we had EMD's on top of google FOR YEARS

    We still have a ton on top of google

    All the terms not worth much in CPC

    If it makes money for google they target any sites hitting long term seo spots

    Just look at the garbage google now serves up in serp's for most local professional terms

    CITY LAWYER and PLASTIC SURGEON

    where are all the developed EMD's with quality content

    GONE

    what's in their place crap listings on YP and YELP and reach

    GARBAGE is now the norm at google

    so waste your time saying you can do long term SEO

    you can't

    no such thing any more

    GOOGLE KILLED THE WHOLE SEO GIG
    You mean you're not doing all that well?
    ...Hey you! FREE SEO report card ...I really my hosting company...
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    Originally Posted by dzine
    You mean you're not doing all that well?
    GOOGLE KILLED THE WHOLE SEO GIG..... LOL
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    Originally Posted by 1leads
    The key to SEO for close to 20 years was EMD
    I think it's a gross exaggeration to say EMD was "key". It was a factor, but not the key.

    A successful site requires doing a lot of things right.

    If your EMD site has fallen, I'd look for multiple reasons.

    Originally Posted by 1leads
    There is no such thing as long term SEO
    Only if your mindset is stuck on finding a single simplistic "key" to success.

    Originally Posted by 1leads
    Google killed the whole SEO gig
    Only for those hoping their 1999 SEO tactics would continue working forever.

    Originally Posted by 1leads
    GARBAGE is now the norm at google
    A common sentiment from people who have suddenly lost rank. Once past the blame period, get started on a new modern approach to building and restoring your site.

    Ed

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    Seems like everything in bing/yahoo is fast and google we need to wait 3 months before we know if this is working.
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    Let's see my background in SEO
    Wrote one of the first books on 'search engine manipulation' around 1996 before SEO was even coined, in fact I called it SEM.
    First person recognized as a SEARCH ENGINE KING by the Washington Post around 1997.
    Made MILLIONS on line understanding the heart of all SE algorithms is EMD, and it was until google decided if a term is a CPC rich term, PENALIZE all EMD's regardless of content.

    I see a bunch of people here that 'think' they know 'seo' and yet they don't really, if you controlled an EMD and had certain types of content, you were a LOCK on all the SE's for almost 20 years.

    Now an EMD is an PENALTY, you can have Matt Cutts blow smoke up your asses if you want, but the FACT is an EMD which was the ONLY LONG TERM SOLUTION TO SEO is penalizing EMD site owners regardless of content and links.

    When you have thousands of EMD's and have development on most and thousands of clients, that are used to being top of google organically, you have a development technique that works.

    To see ONLY drops on terms that google has cpc rates of 5 bucks and more is what the EMD update did over a month ago.

    That's why the serp's at GOOG are now crap, look at the garbage.

    Now if you have a 50 to 100 buck cpc term top 3 spots at google and want to argue with me about EMD's, show the term, you have an EMD top of google still and the cpc is over 5 bucks, show the term.

    We have a ton of EMD's still on page 1 of google and they all are not high value cpc terms.

    SO now if you think that's 'fair' by google to PENALIZE content developers on EMD's, think again.

    This EMD kill switch is the fork in the road for Goog, they will now loose huge market share, it's already happening around the world, drops in market share of SE's for the first time in over a decade.

    The public sees GARBAGE NOW in the serp's.

    You see EMD's with crap content on most SE's, and have for almost 2 decades.

    Google tightened content on EMD's a while back, now they just MADE IT A PENALTY.

    Show me an EMD for a 50 to 100 buck term especially with a GEO as part of the EMD.

    Now 99.9% of you claiming to be 'seo experts' have no clue what terms are even in the high air club of 50 buck plus cpc.

    You've never worked with the terms.

    You have no clients PAYING you to hit those terms.

    In the big picture it's no big deal for us, since our 'seo pitch' always intertwined SEM/PPC. In other words we told every client for years, any day google can kill organic serps by not valuing EMD's. But for PPC manipulation, the preferred buyer will always be an EMD owner. Sure enough, our clients saw almost no drop in traffic, the reason, on super expensive EMD terms, the traffic is so little that most of it goes to PPC buyers any way.

    So being first view, which organic SEO serp's have not been for around 2 years now on EMDS worth over 50 bucks, is in the big picture irrelevant.

    The game is actually LEADS, more than SE position. You can be #1 organic and not even first view on most high value cpc terms, you 'experts' do know that right.

    So SEO is now irrelevant to most business owners, due to how google has changed the position organic falls on most sites, when you have 11 ppc ads on first view for a high value cpc term and maybe 2 maps, where's the organic SEO spots?

    NOT IN FIRST VIEW

    So all the 'experts' are not experts here since they're still selling SEO, it's IRRELEVANT now for most companies, it's FIRST VIEW, and 90% of first view on a laptop or tower is what, PPC, all 11 ads are now usually FIRST VIEW and organic seo spots are non existant.

    This whole forum is discussing IRRELEVANT positions on google now, LOL.

    Plus if the term is a low cpc term with no map and you have some free organic seo spots on a term, so what, what's the RESPONSE RATIO for your 'work'.

    Where you fall on a page is half the battle, and that battle is now won in PPC, you have hundreds of buyers usually on the most expensive terms and very little traffic and all the clicks now go to PPC spots due to first view being 90% first view.

    Now you have a click on a high value cpc term, the 2nd half of the battle is what, CONVERTING OVER 50% of the lookers to a response which is usually a phone call for a high value EMD.

    You see any chatter on this forum as to how to hit over 50% response ratios once you actually get a user to a site due to seo or sem/ppc?

    NO

    All I see is BS about a topic that is quite frankly IRRELEVANT.

    GOOGLE made organic SEO irrelevant over 2 years ago with the redesign showing 90% of first view now PPC ADS.

    Did you all miss that FACT?

    Google is a money making machine and until they killed or penalized high valued cpc term EMD's I could care less about what they did.

    But that was pure arrogance the EMD kill switch, so now it's their end, another high traffic site will create a better serp SE that isn't filled with crap directory pages which google is now on many high valued cpc terms, and the market share will fall from 90% to 80% to 65% then under 50%.

    It's not going to happen over night, but the death of google started with the kill switch on EMD's and it's not the bs that Cutts is saying, it's HIGH VALUE CPC EMD's they targeted.

    Now if you were one of my clients, you didn't even notice your organic spot dropped, the reason, all your calls come from ppc clicks anyway, the reason, that's how google redesigned serp's on high valued cpc terms over 2 years ago, all they did was show their arrogance by killing off the below first view organic spots for high valued cpc terms.

    You controlled the top organic spots for almost 2 decades with one thing a EMD with quality content, that was THE RULE, now the rules are changed, if you develop an EMD with a value over 5 bucks for organic seo, you are PENALIZED, so there is NO LONG TERM SEO ON GOOGLE NOW for high valued cpc terms. NO LONG TERM FORMULAS

    The old formula was simple, control the EMD.com and have quality content that converts to calls for a client.

    I don't care what your content is now on an EMD valued over 5 bucks cpc, google hit it with one switch.

    THAT'S A FACT and if you think I'm wrong, show one EMD you have with a high value cpc term, and show me it's still #1 on organic, and if it is, I bet you it's not even first view and you have no clue that it should be #1 ppc position.

    The game is no longer SEO, it's control of #1 PPC spot with HIGH RESPONSE CONTENT.

    It's about making a PHONE RING or LEADS.
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    Originally Posted by 1leads
    Made MILLIONS on line
    I stopped reading there. I am sure you continued to big yourself up throughout the post though.
    Last edited by zico82; Nov 22nd, 2012 at 08:01 AM.
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    Before the net I made MILLIONS
    From the start of the net, I came out retirement and made MILLIONS very quickly on the net when no one was making money.

    My business background, I created my first software company in mid 1970's to target niche development for 'small businesses' which meant they could afford a 25 to 50K mini main frame and pay me 50 to 250K to create a custom software solution.

    I was in high school at the time and I was a 2nd generation computer dude sine my father was a pioneer from the IBM days in the 50's.

    I landed a huge contract with the biggest real estate brokerages in a major market early on and guess what I got a license and became his #1 sales person within a year and made MILLIONS in RE. Which lead to night clubs in the early 1980's and adult clubs etc., made MILLIONS again.

    Mid 1980's I created my main software company for PC applications and all we did was computerize 3 types of industries with a turnkey 25K system that made many many MILLIONS for 5 years or so.

    Auto, Legal and Medical were our niches'.

    By 1990 I was retired and when I read Billy Goat Gates was going to merge his o/s completely with the commercial 'net', I moved all in, into snapping up thousands of KEYWORDS .com

    They're still mostly in my vault.

    We got into 'development' first for 'traffic', alternative news, paranormal crap and of course PORN.

    When we have millions of surfers a day and couldn't sell one banner around 1997, we went 100% PAY, the porn sites made MILLIONS.

    Eventually everything became one thing, development of high valued cpc terms so now we do zero development in traffic related sites, we got out of porn over a decade ago, yet we still control the keywords for the top growing segment of the industry, so a client gets the traffic.

    What's the top money maker in porn now? duh

    But we own the .com

    For over a decade most of our focus has been development of thousands of keywords for the highest valued terms google makes most of their money on. The 50 to 100 buck terms.

    Insurance terms, high end legal terms, high end medical terms.

    Since the beginning of the net, response ratio was always the KEY to all development. In the early days it was have content and offer it via an opt in free membership that a valid email had to activate, so you would see this article is FREE but you join, the start of it you saw 1/3 response ratios, ok, here's my email.

    Then it became this content is on a membership site, free 3 day pass, they hit you with an email, now 1/6 response, then they hit you with a credit card to verify age, 1/10 response.

    That's how you made MONEY in the MILLIONS in the 1990's of the net.

    Then stuff got 'free' all over and SE's came along with ppc and the game changed, so membership stuff became passe and now you had to do whatever to make money online.

    OK what do we know, how to get traffic, how to manipulate search engines, who will pay the most, plastic surgeons, injury lawyers, private jet companies, car insurance companies, insurance companies in general, all these terms became very high in cpc terms once businesses understood the power of the net.

    You have a user LOOKING for what you do, so then the trick was making content to get the highest response ratios.

    So my background is yep, MILLIONS in mostly tech related ventures, some RE years ago, some big famous clubs as well.

    Now I do one thing, develop my assets for the people that make the most money because google and I both understand, high value cpc terms that thousands of professionals fight over are the main income streams.

    All the people that BUY these terms know one thing, bull**** is bull****, and if you can show them 50% response ratios when their current crap gets them under 5% response ratios, you are their SEM company.

    SEM is the game not seo and it's been that way for years.

    So don't listen to me, unless you want WISDOM from a rainmaker.

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    I can't be arsed to read all that. I'm sorry. I'm not a native speaker so I'm a bit slow.

    Quick question: when you were making millions online, was that because Altavista still ranked sites with double <title> elements higher than those with single ones?

    In lots of ways you are of course correct. But I don't think Google is killing SEO. They are looking more at what people want to see. Or at least they are trying to. Can't blame them for making SEO more of a challenge.

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    Originally Posted by dzine
    In lots of ways you are of course correct. But I don't think Google is killing SEO. They are looking more at what people want to see. Or at least they are trying to. Can't blame them for making SEO more of a challenge.
    WRONG

    You know what I say when I meet a potential client, Google is teh worlds biggest whore, and I'm her biggest PIMP, I make a fortune off of google, how? Easy, high cpc term buyers line up to work with me and we get 25% of their ppc budgets buying the most expensive terms on google.

    Google is your 'partner' if you want to make millions on the net, however the partner got GREEDY by killing all organic value to EMD's with high cpc values.

    Go back in time to 1995 and 1996. You're a multi-millionaire retired from the tech industry. You read a wall street journal article, Bill Gates announced today the next version of windows (Win 95 then) would be fully compatiable with the new commercial 'internet'.

    What do you do, run over to network solutions and grab 1000 keywords .com at 100 buck each. You throw 100K at a brand new industry without thinking.

    Now how rich are you.

    Moniker is not me and they're nothing in my world.
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    Which bit was wrong?
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    I see a bunch of people here that 'think' they know 'seo' and yet they don't really, if you controlled an EMD and had certain types of content, you were a LOCK on all the SE's for almost 20 years.
    Even of this were true, which I don't believe it is at all..

    Do you think google should provide it's results purely based on a sites domain name? honestly.. that would provide really cr** search results.

    So, again, even if what you said was true, then it was way long overdue to be changed.
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