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What I'm saying is that you're not a high caliber SEO...


Ya you gotta keep link creations strategies in perspective...

Working just to say "I worked"... isn't beneficial for anything beyond... "boy I put in a hard days work!"...

"did it work?"...

"boy I put in a hard days work!"...

"ya but did it do anything?"...

"that doesn't matter - what matters is 'boy I put in a hard days work!'".
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Finding "dofollow" blogs is very very very general... it is like saying, "I need to find work" - you get get anything and a huge percentage of dofollow blogs are either spammed to the high heavens or they are still moderated which means you ain't getting a link anyways.

Don't look for blogs that dofollow links, look for established, authority blogs which you can gain a reputation off of by commenting... don't worry if it isn't followed by Googlebot... the value of the traffic could be far greater which could in turn bring in more links.

This idea that you can acquire something for nothing has to go... your chances of success are greatly diminished when you think so common. Strategize, think out of the box, come up with something insane....
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The face you've asked this question shows you know little about SEO. Finding blogs with dofollow to get free links is a huge waste of time. Instead, spend that time developing great content so you can go out and attract links the normal way.


Why is it a waste of time if the blogs are related? If they are dofollow as well then great! Blogs are one of many worthwhile ways of link building... forums, articles, press releases, directories, link exchanges, digg, stumble, social networks, youtube, yahoo answers, yahoo directory and finally! Link bait! The biggest and the best one of the lot! But answer me one thing? When you've created some great content who knows it exists until you market it? We are internet marketers, we market peoples sites through methods such as the ones above. To sum up we are "kick starting" a natural process that would have taken a lot longer without us.

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If you consider dofollow blogs as a method of acquiring links, one of many, then you are still using low end strategies to get links.


Djstreet - can you tell me the high end strategies for acquiring links?

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Strategize, think out of the box, come up with something insane....


OK, I've thought of something insane and put it in place... what do i do now? Hit some related blogs to inform the relevant communities? There's one... and it's dofollow. Bonus! Also, when you have created your crazy idea where are all these natural links going to come from? Would it be too risky of me to predict that a large percentage would come from blogs?

I dont condone unrelated blog posting just for PR but we would be fools not to realise that blogs are one of the biggest marketing tools at our disposal. I refer you again to my search engine which will help you find related dofollow blogs.

This is also a pretty good article on link building strategies

Also, a good tip i think. Setup Google alerts for all your keywords. Great links that have come straight from the man himself!

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Why is it a waste of time if the blogs are related?


It's a question of passing linkjuice.

A "post" is new to start with... and the comments page is a different page [also new] and only getting juice from the post page [not a good start]

Look at this from a links page... You don't get a link from the mainpage, a category page, the main link page OR a lower links page... you get a link from something lower than that...

Let's equate that to PageRank [something you can see]

Mainpage PR6 [OH BOY] established category page PR4 [still pretty good - but you don't get a link there]... post page RR2 [well not great but still something - but you don't get a link there]... comment page PR0... and that is divided by all the pond scum that think they can get free links... so how many others links are in comments? ... you can be sure LOTS!

0 [less than 1] divided anything is closer to absolute zero...

So the real question is... "do you call this time well spent?"

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Djstreet - can you tell me the high end strategies for acquiring links?


For $10K Rand will develop you a solid piece of linkbait and get the word out... and from what I understand that works out to pennies per quality link!

You can pretend that comment spamming doesn't cost but what you are really saying is you work for less than minimum wage...

Even collecting bottles for income cost "time" to do it... and when you're sick that cost is even more... and when you can't get out of bed... it costs alot!

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It's a question of passing linkjuice.

A "post" is new to start with... and the comments page is a different page [also new] and only getting juice from the post page [not a good start]

Look at this from a links page... You don't get a link from the mainpage, a category page, the main link page OR a lower links page... you get a link from something lower than that...

Let's equate that to PageRank [something you can see]

Mainpage PR6 [OH BOY] established category page PR4 [still pretty good - but you don't get a link there]... post page RR2 [well not great but still something - but you don't get a link there]... comment page PR0... and that is divided by all the pond scum that think they can get free links... so how many others links are in comments? ... you can be sure LOTS!

0 [less than 1] divided anything is closer to absolute zero...

So the real question is... "do you call this time well spent?"


What blogs have a separate comments page to the post page? Most of the posts ive seen have a list of comments below them? This is not just about PR anyway, this is about links from related pages and sites. The PR is desirable but not essential. Nofollow doesnt just block PR transfer anyway!

If I'm posting relevant comments on nofollow blogs those relevant links dont mean anything more than direct traffic and advertising. If im posting comments on relevant dofollow blogs (regardless of PR) that is a relevant link from relevant content, is it not?

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How do you suppose he does that?

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How do you suppose he does that?


Viral... he tells two friends, and they tell two friends, and so on, and so on...

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This is not just about PR anyway, this is about links from related pages and sites. The PR is desirable but not essential.
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If I'm posting relevant comments on nofollow blogs those relevant links dont mean anything more than direct traffic and advertising. If im posting comments on relevant dofollow blogs (regardless of PR) that is a relevant link from relevant content, is it not?
I believe that the point everybody is trying to make is that direct traffic and advertising is a far more worthy reason for posting comments on (related) blogs than pursuing PR... thus, whilst "dofollow" is a bonus, it shouldn't be the main criteria.

In short, blogs are a great way to get related traffic and publicity and a "somewhat below average way" to get related backlinks (thus "nofollow or not" shouldn't be as important as "related or not")!
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Viral... he tells two friends, and they tell two friends, and so on, and so on...


Yep, i agree. But surely marketing (online or off) is about igniting that viral process and what better way to do that than hit the related blogs or use the list I wrote down before? If i create a great bit of link bait and tell a few people it might do well, in the coming months/years. If i spend a day putting that website and that idea in front of the community then haven't i sped up that natural process which is what all marketers are paid to do?

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Judging by the wording of the O/P I'd say his only criteria is PR (which seems to be the main reason for the ensuing discussion).
I believe that the point everybody is trying to make is that direct traffic and advertising is a far more worthy reason for posting comments on (related) blogs than pursuing PR... thus, whilst "dofollow" is a bonus, it shouldn't be the main criteria.

In short, blogs are a great way to get related traffic and publicity and a "somewhat below average way" to get related backlinks (thus "nofollow or not" shouldn't be as important as "related or not")!


Fair enough, i cant fault any of those points. Relevance is what it's all about really! Relevant blog posts get relevant traffic and they get you ranking brownie points as well (as long as they are dofollow).

Edit: Just reading the first post, he makes no reference to PR? Do we all agree that nofollow links not only stop PR but also stop any benefits from relevance or anchor text?

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This is not just about PR anyway,


This is 100% about PageRank... and the value that PageRank offers... but first: comments never appear on the main page with the post or on the category with the post but only on the post page... thus a link in the post is worth more than a comment link.

The point of your belief is acquring links of value without any real costs...

The problems you are stuck with are these facts:

1. posting something that is going to stay instead of getting moderated out. [you immediately assume a risk that whatever time to spend in each blog is fruitless]

2. OK your time beared fruit and your comment with the link stays... what's it worth?

Google invented supplemental results to curb the creation of pages just for links... that is what you are attempting to use blog comments for.

Lower PageRank pages don't need to be in primary results because pages that are above them are... e.g. category or main nav pages... post pages with low PageRank are notable in supplemental results and as such links off those pages are valueless.

The problem then is determining what pages are in primary results [notably those pages that appear as backlinks are a good bet]... but this still depends on solid moderation e.g. your posted comment was approved and few others are... and with every new page added you're linking page depreciates from primary to supplemental and then your link is worthless.

...I guess the proof of you argument can be found by going to a blog with do follow links and finding a comment with a link and then going to Google [and Yahoo} to see that as a backlink.

If you're lucky you can find a couple... but the odds are stacked against you.

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Yep, i agree. But surely marketing (online or off) is about igniting that viral process and what better way to do that than hit the related blogs or use the list I wrote down before? If i create a great bit of link bait and tell a few people it might do well, in the coming months/years. If i spend a day putting that website and that idea in front of the community then haven't i sped up that natural process which is what all marketers are paid to do?


ya but no one gets viral over a blog comment... unless you're like Matt Cutts commenting on some SEO blog and providing a tidbit that the SEO community then "quotes".

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what you can get about commenting is traffics most are nofollow. . . but sometimes bounce rate is very big and we can't consider as quality traffics.

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Nofollow addons

I've just installed this nofollow add-on in Firefox, and must say, it works great. I've been doing some seo lately and this saves alot of time.

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