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    How long would/should it take to get a Payday Loan site to page 2-3 of google?


    Of course there are a gazillion variables involved. But, if someone could just give a date range to expect if one were to run an aggressive SEO campaign for a new payday loan site. The competition is rather fierce for these sites.

    Really, what would be "best-case" scenario? Worst case would be never.
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    Originally Posted by audioinjection
    Of course there are a gazillion variables involved. But, if someone could just give a date range to expect if one were to run an aggressive SEO campaign for a new payday loan site. The competition is rather fierce for these sites.

    Really, what would be "best-case" scenario? Worst case would be never.
    It all depends on various different thinks for example your budget , your competition , your skills ( or seo's skills ) , where your targeting , just to name a few , noone can give you an exact timescale for this , or even a rough guide ! With such vauge information !

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    If you don't know what a "best-case" scenario would be, you could have just not commented. I've already addressed the lack of details in my post, so you're ego-stroking is just redundant and un-necessary.

    Anyone else here who ACTUALLY knows what an approximate "best-case" timeline would be to reach page 2 or 3 of google for a payday loan site? Page 1 could be nearly impossible, so let's not even kick that around. Thanks in advance for people only commenting if they actually have something to input, and to "craigseo" for just leaving this post as opposed to re-posting to try and start the ever classic "forum bickering" session.

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    "fierce" -- whew, thats a real understatement!

    As I've posted here before, I know a guy over at THE major payday loan national firm here in .ca...ie I have some inside info.

    the budget that you'd need to afford would be almost 6 figures a month....ie they spend near $1m a year....

    in that kind of "arena" you'd be foolish to try to compete without understanding what you - and your client I assume - would be up against....

    this is foolish. you'd be better off trying to rank "toyota cold fusion" eh....sorry, 'nother touchy one for us!

    so. think about it. if you do NOT have that kind of $$$, then why even think of putting on the uniform, eh? this is MAJOR SEO, run by inhouse staff of over a dozen guys.....

    ...sigh...just another case of "money talks...." eh!

    :-|

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    Thanks for the info Jim!! It's much appreciated. Now, our client does have some $$$, but not quite at the level you're speaking of.
    It sounds like your connections are at or near the level of CashNetUsa/Check N Go/Cash Advance America etc.. aka "The BIG Dogs"! I'm sure I could get a good idea of the company you're referring to, but it's not really relevant. It does give me a good idea of that what "level" of company you're referring to.

    Now that said, if you check the first few pages of google, there are some "smaller dogs" who have chewed their way to the top as well, with I would assume a much lesser budget. In fact, I currently work with one of these companies (also CA based) doing SEO writing for them. They've seen some great results, but have a long way to go. That's more of the "level" of budget I would most likely be working with. BOY, 6 figures a month would be nice!

    Here's a great example of a "small dog" site that made its way to page 1 for a search of "payday lenders". That site is HIDEOUS and they have virtually no real leverage in our industry, yet they rank pretty high on several related searches. It IS possible to see some results with a lesser budget, I just haven't a clue if it would take 3 months, 6 months, 9 months, 2 years etc.. to climb significantly for keyword searches.

    Anyway, thanks again Jim!

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    • WhiteHatSEOMktg agrees : You're not going to rank highly but you can obtain some visibility for lower volume but still relevant terms in a few months.
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    The real analysis you need to do is what would my ROI be? You're not going to get to the top for payday loans real soon now but you still potentially have a worthwhile and interesting project.
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    Originally Posted by audioinjection
    If you don't know what a "best-case" scenario would be, you could have just not commented. I've already addressed the lack of details in my post, so you're ego-stroking is just redundant and un-necessary.

    Anyone else here who ACTUALLY knows what an approximate "best-case" timeline would be to reach page 2 or 3 of google for a payday loan site? Page 1 could be nearly impossible, so let's not even kick that around. Thanks in advance for people only commenting if they actually have something to input, and to "craigseo" for just leaving this post as opposed to re-posting to try and start the ever classic "forum bickering" session.

    Your lack of information makes it near enough impossible to give you a best case scenario ,( especially the post as i read it ) you have provided more info after i posted . especially if you want that info to be accurate, there is no ego stroking going on , im merly asking you to elaborate on the info you have given, !

    Noone knows what your site is , if any previous seo has been done , as you said in your inital post theres too many variables to give you a decent answer ,

    however if your looking for a guess is say $1, million dollars sounds good

    Ps being based in the UK means ive been sleeping for the past 10 hours ! so noone left the post , please refrain from trying to drag my name down , especially if your looking for advice !

    Simple point is more info or no info for you its really that simple !

    Hope others take note of your attitude when trying to help u

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    Originally Posted by audioinjection
    Of course there are a gazillion variables involved. But, if someone could just give a date range to expect if one were to run an aggressive SEO campaign for a new payday loan site. The competition is rather fierce for these sites.

    Really, what would be "best-case" scenario? Worst case would be never.
    Depends on your definition of "aggressive SEO campaign"

    Could range from a couple of months to a couple of years or even more....

    I would suggest you start reading through the forums, learn and implement the methods suggested for building high quality links.

    Eventually you yourself will know how much time it takes.

    As you've already said:

    Originally Posted by audioinjection
    Of course there are a gazillion variables involved
    ...so I am sure you understand that no one can come up with a valid answer. Your answer lies with only one person....YOU!

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    Hit me up to discuss this further.
    Since I have first hand knowledge of this space (working here at LeadFlash for 4.5 years) and what publishers are doing, I can provide you some good insight...

    Thanks,
    -=Chipmunk=-
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    Originally Posted by Chipmunk
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    Hit me up to discuss this further.
    Since I have first hand knowledge of this space (working here at LeadFlash for 4.5 years) and what publishers are doing, I can provide you some good insight...

    Thanks,
    -=Chipmunk=-
    You're all good to spread your pearls of wisdom here my friend.

    We would all love to hear and learn from you

    Thanks!

    P.S - Please note, that self-promotion is against SEOchat TOS. It might and will lead you to a warning or even a permanent ban. Keep this in mind.
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    Originally Posted by pro_seo
    You're all good to spread your pearls of wisdom here my friend.

    We would all love to hear and learn from you

    Thanks!

    P.S - Please note, that self-promotion is against SEOchat TOS. It might and will lead you to a warning or even a permanent ban. Keep this in mind.
    How in the world it THAT self-promotion? The guy was one of few nice enough to actually provide a decent response, and just makes mention that he WORKS IN THE INDUSTRY that I'm looking to do SEO in (Payday Lending)!

    I see everyone else just bragging about their own SEO experience, why can't he mention (very, VERY related to my question) where he works?

    I've had such a horrible experience on this board, both getting ridiculous attitude from both Mods and users, who constantly stroke their own egos without providing any info. It's as if the point of this board is to bicker and talk down on others. I'm fed up.

    And Chipmunk, thank you BTW. It's nice that someone responded kindly, and I don't view your post as self-promotion at all. It just seems frowned upon to actually help ANYONE on this forum.

    I'm half expecting a perma ban for my opinion. Good day all.

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    Originally Posted by Chipmunk
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    Since I have first hand knowledge of this space (working here at LeadFlash for 4.5 years) and what publishers are doing, I can provide you some good insight...
    These are self-promotions. You have to be blind not to see it.

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    Originally Posted by manray
    These are self-promotions. You have to be blind not to see it.
    All I've heard on this forum is bickering, complaining and folks talking themselves up MUCH more than that, and once again it's not self promotion IF IT'S COMPLETELY RELEVANT TO MY QUESTION.

    Don't be jealous because you have nothing to offer, and sit around all day wasting time on this forum spreading negativity and judgement to the poor mortals below. But, it's par for the course on ANY tech forum. This is what you get when you gather up a bunch of "mommy's basement" dwellers who haven't had human contact in awhile.
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    Originally Posted by audioinjection
    All I've heard on this forum is bickering, complaining and folks talking themselves up MUCH more than that, and once again it's not self promotion IF IT'S COMPLETELY RELEVANT TO MY QUESTION.
    Then he should have just answered your question right off the bat.
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    Originally Posted by manray
    Then he should have just answered your question right off the bat.
    Or, maybe you should just "not care" what other people do. You obviously have no real point, just keeping true to form and bickering and complaining about things that don't pertain to, or affect you at all.

    How is mommy's basement by the way? Still cold and damp? Too bad you don't have anything else to do, than troll threads that you can't actually participate in. Try going outside, you may be surprised to find out what a real human interaction feels like.

    I will be un-subscribing to this forum very soon.... (or BANNED!)
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