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    How Important is Time in SEO


    Hello Everyone!
    I have recently launched a new website specialising in offering boat hire on the River Thames in London. Our new site (thamesboathire.co.uk) has been live for 6 weeks and is easily the best website in this area. It is well optimised, has a good level of unique content and doesn't face much competition from other sites.

    Despite all of this the site is ranked half way down page 2 for the search term 'thames boat hire'.

    My question therefore is; will i simply have to wait for google to recognise that this site is well built and relevant and if so how long will i have to wait?

    Thanks for your help!
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    Originally Posted by twarsop
    will i simply have to wait for google to recognise that this site is well built and relevant and if so how long will i have to wait?
    Yes its just a waiting game now mate, you have a 6 weeks old site so google needs to see where it best fits in the serp, if your site is as good as you think and you keep at your seo you will hit page 1 in now time

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    • JBacchi : 6 weeks, not 6 months. Google could figure out where a site fits in long before 6 months. Doing SEO is no guarantee you will hit page 1.
    Last edited by NathanielB; Mar 10th, 2011 at 10:21 AM. Reason: changed months to weeks lol, don't know what I was think when I typed that reply but must have been a million miles away to put 6 months lol
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    thanks NathanieB, its a shame that i don't have any patience!
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    Yes, Google ranking is always the game of patience. You must have patience to get result for your work. And you have to keep going with your work.
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    I'm sorry, but what do you mean by "it's well optimized" - obviously it's not, or you'd be at the top, right?

    Optimization is not a once-and-done procedure - it is ongoing.

    Stopping, at any point of the race, leads you to fall behind.

    At the same time, you need to know you're at least heading in the right direction.

    What all have you done to your site?
    What all has been done to the sites that rank above you?
    Can you out-perform what they have done?

    Time is a factor - just like it is in any other job - it takes time to get the job done (especially when the job never ends).
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    Originally Posted by jsteele823
    I'm sorry, but what do you mean by "it's well optimized" - obviously it's not, or you'd be at the top, right?

    Optimization is not a once-and-done procedure - it is ongoing.

    Stopping, at any point of the race, leads you to fall behind.

    At the same time, you need to know you're at least heading in the right direction.

    What all have you done to your site?
    What all has been done to the sites that rank above you?
    Can you out-perform what they have done?

    Time is a factor - just like it is in any other job - it takes time to get the job done (especially when the job never ends).
    That is the interesting thing. None of the sites above ours have been optimised at all and many of them look awful and have very limited content. In fact i would say that none of the sites above ours have heard of seo!

    The one thing we haven't yet done for this site is any link building work which i know is very important, however the lack of work done by the competition which are all out performing me is very interesting especially considering i have a 100% domain name for the search term.

    I have another 100% domain for the search term 'thames dinner cruise' and that is rock solid at possitions 1 and 2 and is subject to greater competition... this is why i am interested in the impact of time on rankings??
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    Originally Posted by twarsop
    Hello Everyone!
    I have recently launched a new website specialising in offering boat hire on the River Thames in London. Our new site (thamesboathire.co.uk) has been live for 6 weeks and is easily the best website in this area. It is well optimised, has a good level of unique content and doesn't face much competition from other sites.

    Despite all of this the site is ranked half way down page 2 for the search term 'thames boat hire'.

    My question therefore is; will i simply have to wait for google to recognise that this site is well built and relevant and if so how long will i have to wait?

    Thanks for your help!
    You have a very boring, aesthetically appealing website with zero back links where you can't even be bothered to change the Latin text to something real. Where do you think the site should rank?

    Half way down page 2 is a pretty good rank for the amount of work you've put in to the SEO

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    After reading kernel's response - I actually looked at the site. He's talking about this page:
    http://thamesboathire.co.uk/index.php?mode=content&itemid=4

    (there may be more - that's just the first I found).

    Also note your title elements on some of your pages......
    http://thamesboathire.co.uk/index.php?mode=boat&type=1&pageno=1

    You shouldn't have <p> tags in the title....

    Was this just an error, or is the entire site coded as carelessly?

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    I feel the title tag of the website is not properly written. For eg. check the title of this page

    http://thamesboathire.co.uk/index.php?mode=boat&type=1&pageno=1

    <title>Classic Boats on the River Thames Boats : At Thames Boat Hire we have separated our boats into three different categories, Classic, Premier and Elite.
    <p></p>
    Our Classic Boats are ideally suited for informal events, bbq's and disco style parties. They offer excellent value for money and are generally hired for 3 or 4 hours.
    </p><p>
    So if you would like to hold an informal event on board a Boat on the River Thames, a Classic Boat will make an ideal choice.</title>
    Title is the most important factor for Google Ranking. Hope you will write proper meta title for every page with targeted keyword.

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    Last edited by Yousee; Mar 9th, 2011 at 07:05 AM.
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    reminds me of a line that I'd like to paraphrase from Forrest Gump (sorry Winston)

    "half-assed is...as half-assed does"

    if page 2 aint where you wanna be, then learn how to get to page 1....and then climb the serps till you're #1....

    took the time to look at Josh's URLs above....all are spot on...kernels comments too are what you need to consider...

    in other words...learn to rank!

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    I like the look of your site. I think it has the possibility to do well.

    Stick around here and if you can put up with some criticism, you will learn how to rank well. You've got a niche that is not terribly competitive (from the quick look that I had).

    As pointed out before...your title tags can use some work. This will make a huge difference.

    Then, the next key to ranking is to learn how to build quality backlinks. Don't get caught up in doing forum signatures and blog commenting but rather, learn how to network with others and get people to link to you. more info here.

    Don't be put off by the criticism that you read here...but instead, rise above and learn from these folks...they are very smart and they can definitely help!
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    A few tips If I might add:

    1. link the Home links and logo to root url without index.php.
    2. rewrite all traffic to non www version to www (rewrite rule in htaccess file on server)
    3. You might as well do it with index.php to /
    4. Use H1 and H2 tags wisely in page text and do mention the keyword if appropriate (H1 as main heading should say what the page is about...)
    5.add the alt attribute to logo image and insert your chosen keyword in it.
    6. Do use internal links to point to home page with this anchor text but do not over exaggerate
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    Originally Posted by eitanya
    A few tips If I might add:

    1. link the Home links and logo to root url without index.php.
    2. rewrite all traffic to non www version to www (rewrite rule in htaccess file on server)
    3. You might as well do it with index.php to /
    4. Use H1 and H2 tags wisely in page text and do mention the keyword if appropriate (H1 as main heading should say what the page is about...)
    5.add the alt attribute to logo image and insert your chosen keyword in it.
    6. Do use internal links to point to home page with this anchor text but do not over exaggerate
    Thank you, all very useful stuff!
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    6 weeks is a short time for a site to be optimized further SEO is an ongoing process.Your competitors are also engaged in the process and its only a matter of few authority links.Make sure your site is user friendly so that people are satisfied and recommend it to friends.
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    Originally Posted by KernelPanic
    You have a very boring, aesthetically appealing website with zero back links where you can't even be bothered to change the Latin text to something real. Where do you think the site should rank?

    Half way down page 2 is a pretty good rank for the amount of work you've put in to the SEO
    No to mention many of the page titles are identical and not optimized for SEO or CTs. Content is pitiful and sparse.

    I'm surprised he got to page 2. Must be a real niche site.
    Frankly, I wonder who Frank is and why he has his own adverb.
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