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Old February 1st, 2008, 01:11 PM
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Thought some of the readers may want to see this:

NOTE there are also conflicting arguments on the site, I selected a few I agree with.

Just a few opinions from http://www.seomoz.org/article/search-ranking-factors

Keyword Use in Domain Name

Including the targeted term/phrase in the registered domain name, i.e. keyword.com

Jonah Stein
If your nicely aged, non-hyphenated domain name contains your primary keyword, you're 25% of the way to the top...10.

Aaron Wall
If the domain name is an exact match I believe it is strongly weighted because it might be a sign of a navigational query. Plus having an exact match domain means their were either early to their topic (and thus perhaps a topical leader), or they may have paid a domainer nosebleed prices for the domain.

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That domain name will be used for a lot of your backlinks. Having your KW as your biz name will get you great anchor text links. Not using a domain with your KW will cost you a lot of relevant anchor text. Outside of the algo here is an example why you should buy the KW.com for your turf if you can get your hands on it. Makes you an authority even if undeserved - how valuable is that when you are asking for a link? It makes you THE MAN for that turf - how valuable is that when a customer is on your site. And can provide enormous psychological energy and you should never underrate that! Also looks great in the SERPs and might get you a few extra clicks.

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But the key is that people will link to you by your domain name. So if you sell Blue Widgets and your domain is www.bluewidgets.com, people are more likely to link to you as "Blue Widgets" than if you had the name rustybrick.com.

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I don't see how having a domain consisting of (or containing) one of your primary keywords could be a bad thing. One of the precious few consensus opinions in SEO is the importance of link text. That said, I don't think there is much (if any) value if the keyword is one of 50 hyphenated keywords stuck in front of a .net.


No one is saying a keyword domain can't rank.

I'm saying any domain no matter the name can rank equally well using the "precise values" associated with any other domain.

If you took everything currently associated with engagementring.net and place it in copyrite.com and all the current links are switch to copyrite.com with few exceptions ranks would be identical... the actual enhancing value associated with the domain name is really quite small.

The only 'advantage' is in certain link anchors... e.g. if you got a link in dmoz you could possibly get Engagement Ring or less valuable Engagementring.net where the other would be Copyrite as the anchor...

and the value is "1 link" or a "few links" but there are hundreds, thousands, 10's of thousands of places to get links and 90% are not directory listings and the little bit of help you got from a few places are quickly over-shadowed by general link development.

Your purely commercialized product catalog would likely never get a link from www.gia.edu or JVC or JA but another website can develop a web-based resource for appraising diamonds and get great links from these resources (and many more) and leave you scratching you keyword head.

The value of your content is the value you get from links and in practice those that focus on keyword domains (because they think they get an edge) tend not to invest in better content, which offers "better links".
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Old February 1st, 2008, 01:54 PM
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Ya IMHO usually means I think but not really sure... but in your posts you have stated things that aren't "opinions" they are absolutely truths (or absolute lies)... and when you place those things in an IMHO post like "I have made 3 million+" as support for something you say is just an opinion... you confuse the membership about what you are actually saying, "fact or fiction".

[please follow this - as this is important]

"IT'S A FACT" "I have made 3 million+" (you must know how much you made from your work in SEO and keyword domain things) BUT by posting merely an IMHO post because I think but not really sure... how much I made from my work in SEO and keyword domain things - that means you know you're posting total BS -- and now I [me fathom] gets to wondering why on Earth would you wish to mislead the membership?

You can't have it both ways "facts are facts" they aren't open for opinions and the only other way you can go "a fact is only an opinion" is... you got caught lying and you don't want to admit it.

I really don't care what you're motive is - the neg rep I gave was 100% warranted - and that 100% FACT! because your collective posted opinions don't make sense.



Fathom, take this how you may, but I bet you have a tough time with relationships and getting along with people. You tend to believe you know everything. My Avatar change was a soft slap to those that choose to take my posts as "hard facts", everything I post in regards to methods I use to get ranking is an opinion, if it wasn't, this forum wouldn't even exist because SEO and SEM would be an exact science. And please inform me, where was "I caught Lying"? For you to bring up my post about my SEO affiliate revenue, just shows you have run out of ammo, my avatar didn't say that when i posted it. To keep you happy, I'll change it again.

What about this?

Also Fathom - What does this mean exactly? ---

"Show me even a 20% success rate... then come back and play with the big boys."

More detail and I'll see what I can do about proving things.


You never answered above ^


AND DUH, getting the anchor text to contain your KW by having an OKID is one of the primary benefits of having it. Maybe I didn't emphasize it enough, but I did mention it.

I also stated (i believe more than once, but I'm not reading this all over again) that branding is not always needed when your primary source of traffic (80%+) is all from SEs. I have certainly used branding in other marketing projects when it is essential. When you are simply looking for a one time click from a list of results, branding is not always important. My results have proven themselves and I know what they have produced, I don't need to prove myself to you or anyone else. I regret the fact I ever brought up $ figures, it was a mistake on my part.

I get it, you don't agree that OKIDs help in SERPs. Fine. I'll do what I do, and you can do what you do.

I have no hard feelings, in fact, I'm laughing. Have a GREAT DAY everyone!
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Old February 1st, 2008, 02:14 PM
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A Good Domain with Keywords

I know it's been beaten to death, but I think my latest experience might bring up another point.

Along the same lines as EGOL, having a good domain with your KW in it make you THE MAN. It seems to me that most of the top results are domains with KW in them. Besides this debatable theory, I believe it affects the visitor, client, and Webmaster mentally.

I just purchased a premium domain that is incredible as far as a short, memorable domain with keywords. As a Webmaster, I feel better about investing my time in this domain than any of my other domains. I'll put in the extra time and effort to make this bad boy my baby. If it were for a client, it would give them faith in the site doing well and may help justify your costs. As far as the visitor goes, they will have more trust in this domain (So long as the website is good) because of the direct and obvious subject.

I know that doesn't have much to do about the Serps, but they're all good reasons to choose a good KID. Debate all you want, it makes sense to the 5-year-old kid looking for toy soldiers. And let's face it; the Internet is basically being viewed by billions of 5-year-olds.
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Old February 1st, 2008, 08:32 PM
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Some history... A couple of months back the SEO for www(dot)software(dot)com started a thread here on SEO Chat. He was super concerned that everyone else with standard domain names were beating them in the SERPs for the keyword "software". He believed and swore because they owned www(dot)software(dot)com that they should dominate the SERPs for the keyword "software."

Several SEO Chat members, EGOL included, had to step him through truly optimizing his site www(dot)software(dot)com before he could start getting decent SERPs. There was a good lesson learned there... A great domain name does not guarantee you anything as far as SEO. Knowing how to take advantage of that domain name is where the payback is. The domain name in and of itself gives little help... using the domain name to your advantage is.
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Old February 2nd, 2008, 03:29 AM
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I hope this thread puts to rest (for a while at least) the topic of Keywords in the Domain Names.
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Many people believe in going for keywords within a domain name (for example if SEO expert in India and want a domain name, you would by a seo-expert.in domain name). By doing this, they believe helps in search engine ranking (i.e. if anyone types “seo experts India” in search engines, their website will be rank higher) However seo-expert.in not brandable name. I personally not recommended this. There are lots of other factor in which you can target this keyword using a brandable name.
I know using keywords in domain name is very less factor but off page optimization is more effective.
I further add to give my own example when I first abcd I had the option of using the domain name www.seo-india.com as seo India was an important keyword. How ever our director prefer brandable name (www.brandablename.com) which rank high for “SEO India” in Google.

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yep I remember the software.com thread. I even sent him a PM to see if I could buy the domain. :X

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