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    Oh, don't worry. I understand that there is a human being on the other side of a conversation you're having your phone. But I believe mainstwebguy's point/interpretation was that you would have to talk to the people you came to the establishment with, not talk to a server about getting access to WiFi or anything.

    Unfortunately, many people prefer to be on their phones while going out with people, ignoring the people they're physically near to talk to people they have inside of their pocket computer. Not offering WiFi alleviates that somewhat (there is still mobile data of course), which may attract a certain type of clientele that enjoys spending time with the people they're actually with at that moment.

    Of course, this may also just be a problem of having the wrong friends :p
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    You don't to do much research to determine if WiFi is good for business.

    FOR BUSINESSES

    Increases customer loyalty, increases longer stays & greater expenditures. Experience has shown that offering Wi-Fi results in higher store traffic, higher customer loyalty, and higher per-ticket sales. Not offering Wi-Fi is equivalent to a retailer having a no returns policy for fear of the few customers who may abuse it.

    I can certainly understand the desire to make less revenue.

    I get all the personal time with local family & friends at home... I'm sure you do to. If the value is 'to meet new people' ... Seriously at a pizza joint! I'm positive you would sooner have the choice, to WiFi or not, especially if you arrived by yourself and your family is 1500 miles away.
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    I believe it has to do with social in nature...If I went to a bar and everyone's on their i-phones it won't help the experience, however with a pizza place I'd be after the best tasting pizza. come see come saw
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    As it is, my family is thousands of miles away, but that does not mean I will constantly stare at my phone if I invite some friends to come to a pizza place with me. It's not about meeting new people, but about socialising with the ones you're with at that moment. I can text/Facebook/WhatsApp/e-mail/call my family when I'm home, why would I do that when I'm already out with others?

    I get that from a business perspective, in (almost) all industries, it's useful to offer free WiFi, but I am not going to order a larger or more expensive pizza in a restaurant based on whether or not they offer WiFi.
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    Originally Posted by Aleszandro
    As it is, my family is thousands of miles away, but that does not mea;when I'm home, why would I do that when I'm already out with others?
    This isn't about being anti-social, it's about choice. You will ONLY GO TO A PIZZA SHOP IF YOU ARE WITH SOMEONE ELSE... Great that is a personal choice... I'll also go by myself and would rather have a choice of sitting their talking to myself OR...text/Facebook/WhatsApp/e-mail/call my family etc. but I do understand that some people spend hours agreeing or disagreeing with themselves.

    It's a personal choice.

    Originally Posted by Aleszandro
    I get that from a business perspective, in (almost) all industries, it's useful to offer free WiFi, but I am not going to order a larger or more expensive pizza in a restaurant based on whether or not they offer WiFi.
    But again, that is your choice. I will order another coffee, another rum & coke, maybe even an appetizer or dessert if I'm out and writing emails, posting on SEOChat, WebmasterWorld or Google Groups like I do most nights ... That's my choice.

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    OK - I concede!

    “On June 29th Bank of America released the findings of its second annual report on Consumer Mobility,” said Simon Khalaf, SVP of Publisher Products at Flurry. “The report showed that the US population is perpetually plugged-in with 71% of those surveyed disclosing they actually sleep with their smartphones. This prompted us to revisit the study we conducted in Q2 of 2014 in which we first uncovered the rise of a new breed of mobile users: the Mobile Addicts.”

    Source: This Google Stat Has Major Implications For Your Site - WebProNews
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    Originally Posted by Doodled
    disclosing they actually sleep with their smartphones.
    l'm one of them.

    The silence is deafening. Although, whether it's music or Netflix all night I don't like interrupting other's quiet time.
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    I cant agree more that google is causing everyone to pay more for products too We have been a low price leader on the web for 17 years and our traffic has been dropping since Google cut out free product input. A day does not go by that a customer asks why are we on page 10 of Google they always say OMG I wish I had found you years ago we have been paying more for packaging supplies and would have ordered from you right off because your prices are so much lower than Uline our biggest competitor and I have to tell them that we could hand Google 200 a day in PPC and our traffic is no better. Its always our fault we bid too low or bid wrong or bid on wrong keywords but bottom line is Customers want our products and pricing and we cannot pay enough to let them know as we would need to double our prices to pay Google. Now this is the hire new employee money or the grow money or just the pay the bills money.

    Also SEO people are great they arite to me daily and say oh sure we can get you on page one and just pay us up front the $1000 a month and in 2-6 months you will see a change well I wish I could get paid up front for something - anything I would not have to work or get up so early 7 days a week. If I knew a trust worthy SEO person I would pay you but who do you trust as they all are wanting payment up front and I have been around for 17 years and have paid many doing nothing. I cant begin to tell you how many times I have been dupped. We have updated our sites and they are mobile freindly you know we have the same shopping cart as ebay and amazon and we have address verification and all kinds of features that costs tens of thousands of dollars. I would pay for ads if they work but most I find are rip offs they drop your ad under the page and charge you or ads that spam blockers will block. I am hoping one of the good SEO people will feel sorry for me and say OK We can help but most likely you will rip me a new (you know what) like last time I understand what you mean but again we are all having to raise prices to pay Google or 7 search for something we use to get for free as we are something that anyone might want we are the lowest prices and we have been around for 17 years and now why should we have to hand over most of our profit to a search engine. We have 10000 pages plus and yes they could be better but guys we are selling boxes at 7 cents each that are normally 11 cents each anywhere else and you cannot write a book about that. We are trying to save people money and in a time when everyone wants more for less. Shippers raise prices more than double the norm this year if you ship any thing that is bigger than 14 inches you probly know this already. Please show me a good SEO person we can trust that has someone we can call and ask do they know what they are doing in the new Social media SEO that is required today. The SEO used 2 years ago will not work I am told over and over. We do not need a system that robs from us to sell product. We cant pay Google 8 dollars for any click when customers are looking to us to save pennies per box. Do you want to pay 5 dollars more per dress or pants so Google can get their cut. I would pay it if it worked but it seems I would have to spend every waking hour monitoring and altering my PPC campaigns and I have customers that need help finding the right product and websites to monitor and update and business to do. I have money but I dont want to hand it to someone who is not honest and I just keep putting off SEO Changes and do not have time for Social media past what we are paying for now like our Facebook page and so on. We do get sales from facebook and have product links there but we need a blogger working for us too. Again who do you trust. That I bet is one of the biggest questions here.
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    Nice Rant!

    The thing is this. The web has become an increasingly crowded place and there are many like you who are getting pushed down the rankings by others who will spend more (on SEO and advertising) and end up selling more even though they are more expensive.

    However this is just the capitalist system:
    - If I make a product that I want to sell for $10 then the customer pays £10 but the trouble is they don't know about my product.
    - So I sell it to a shop for $10 and then customers see it, are aware of it, but must pay $20 to cover the margin of the shop

    For a while the web allowed those in early to have a chance at making customers aware of their $10 product but now the marketing (SEO/PPC) required to stand out in that space could drive the $10 product up to $20 anyway.

    However I recently turned round the rankings of an online shop selling bed linen. To keep his prices the lowest on the market he can't use Amazon or ebay so he could either be found some other way or raise his prices to cover these margins.

    The price tag for doing this still ran into the thousands but the benefit has now been spread over 2 years so far so he has kept his prices low.

    Could I promise the same for you? Absolutely not. In the above example his competitors did not react (or could not find an effective way to react) so it worked out. How will your competitors react? We don't know.

    Did I charge up front? Absolutely. We can lay the ground work for better rankings but if your competitors up the stakes that's not the fault of the SEO company you hire, its the nature of a market economy.

    If you pay for a newspaper advert you will pay upfront and the publication won't give you your money back because it didn't work. SEO is a part of marketing - similar rules apply.

    Don't get me wrong - I feel for you - but I also feel you are not prepared to accept the new reality of the web (even if we all agree the new reality is not necessarily a better reality!)
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    Originally Posted by tony-gbe
    We have 10000 pages plus and yes they could be better but guys we are selling boxes at 7 cents each that are normally 11 cents each anywhere else and you cannot write a book about that. We are trying to save people money and in a time when everyone wants more for less.
    Yes any trustworthy SEOs can retire on their profit share on $0.07 (per unit sold).

    Whether you believe ranks are about content or links or content & links … Let’s forget about the trustworthy knowledge, trustworthy skills, trustworthy experience and trustworthy wisdom that all cost something for someone to develop… How many hours do you expect an SEO to labor for you to delivering one or the other or both AND do you demand ranks, traffic, and sales to be tied to that.
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    Using the technology rightly is our choice.. Google has done a tremendous job by helping us do the work which would take hours to secs.. how we use it is up to us eg: using internet to find nearby places or any other services is an advantage but after reaching a place enjoying the moment is completely up to us. if you let your devices control you and blame the devices no point in it.

    peace out. \m/
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    Blaming to Google on a particular matter isn't wrong, We didn't hear such type of news before 4/5 years as that time Google wasn't smart as Google is this time.

    Now Google is smart and playing with rules and guidelines and the website those are against Google's rules and guidelines are just losing their ranking.
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    Any piece of information in any digital device is money for the big companies(Google, Facebook, etc). They use your information to became richer and stronger do not forget it and do as you like
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