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    Honest question: why are adult serps so bad right now?


    is it this way for all sectors?.
    On almost all adult terms 50%-80% of 1 - 100 search results are black hat sites, I've never seen this before in google.
    I looked deeper at 1-1000 and I would say 70%-85% of those sites are black hat or non relevant.

    Does anyone have a theory on this?.
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    Originally Posted by messiah1
    is it this way for all sectors?.
    On almost all adult terms 50%-80% of 1 - 100 search results are black hat sites, I've never seen this before in google.
    I looked deeper at 1-1000 and I would say 70%-85% of those sites are black hat or non relevant.

    Does anyone have a theory on this?.
    I can't say I agree 100% - it really depends on the terms you're referring to.

    I monitor around 30-50 competitive phrases several times a week and I don't see too much obvious BH stuff...

    If you look at the #1 term (the 'p' word) there are very few truly BH sites in the top 50 results.

    Most of the terms are dominated by the same 30-50 link lists whose main "BH" elements are that many of them use countless doorway domains (and have been doing so for years).

    For other adult terms the worst thing I've been seeing is sub-domain and blog spam - they're getting annoying

    Is the database you're looking at is returning BigDaddy results?
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    Originally Posted by ClickyB
    I can't say I agree 100% - it really depends on the terms you're referring to.

    I monitor around 30-50 competitive phrases several times a week and I don't see too much obvious BH stuff...

    If you look at the #1 term (the 'p' word) there are very few truly BH sites in the top 50 results.

    Most of the terms are dominated by the same 30-50 link lists whose main "BH" elements are that many of them use countless doorway domains (and have been doing so for years).

    For other adult terms the worst thing I've been seeing is sub-domain and blog spam - they're getting annoying

    Is the database you're looking at is returning BigDaddy results?
    I'm looking at both current and big daddy results
    For terms like porno clips, porn clips, sex clips, free porn site, what do you see?.
    For major-major terms like "sex movies" and "free porn" the quality falls drastically after the 30th-50th result and get's even worse from there.
    I would advise anyone browsing google for the terms listed above to browse them with firefox or you will get a few dialer installs.
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    Originally Posted by messiah1
    I'm looking at both current and big daddy results
    For terms like porno clips, porn clips, sex clips, free porn site, what do you see?.
    For major-major terms like "sex movies" and "free porn" the quality falls drastically after the 30th-50th result and get's even worse from there.
    I would advise anyone browsing google for the terms listed above to browse them with firefox or you will get a few dialer installs.
    to be honest I think the results for most of the really big adult terms fell drastically (in quality) during December... (which also happened to a lot of non-adult terms).

    "free p0rn" isn't too bad imho (considering how bad it's always been) many of the serps from 50-100 are dominated by the same "big boys" who've been there forever...

    I have noticed during previous major updates that adult stuff seems to be at "the back of the queue" when it comes to removal of spam and tidying up of results and I'm thinking the same right now... I've been waiting for G to "get to them" but - what with the infrastructure update and everything else they've got going on - they seem to be a little behind schedule - lol

    For myself, I started to concentrate on "less major" terms some months back, so I've been able to keep up traffic with morer obscure KW's (which converts nicely too).
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    Originally Posted by ClickyB
    to be honest I think the results for most of the really big adult terms fell drastically (in quality) during December... (which also happened to a lot of non-adult terms).

    "free p0rn" isn't too bad imho (considering how bad it's always been) many of the serps from 50-100 are dominated by the same "big boys" who've been there forever...

    I have noticed during previous major updates that adult stuff seems to be at "the back of the queue" when it comes to removal of spam and tidying up of results and I'm thinking the same right now... I've been waiting for G to "get to them" but - what with the infrastructure update and everything else they've got going on - they seem to be a little behind schedule - lol

    For myself, I started to concentrate on "less major" terms some months back, so I've been able to keep up traffic with morer obscure KW's (which converts nicely too).
    Lol, the p0rn0 clips search term has some of the scariest results I've ever seen. When I first saw them I just walked away from my pc and started pacing wondering if Google would keep it's results that way for long.
    I know things got real bad back in December but it's been two months now and I'm starting to worry.
    My adult site took the big hit in dec and is still on life support.
    All I can hope for now is that my blog site comes out of the sandbox when the new infrastructure update takes place.
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    Another thing - a lot of allinanchor, allintitle, allintext listings aren't making any sense. When a site with no quality links, and a 404 error pages, redirects, spammy footer text sites with 1 link are ranking in the top 50 for allinanchor then something is terribly outdated and wrong.
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    Originally Posted by messiah1
    Another thing - a lot of allinanchor, allintitle, allintext listings aren't making any sense. When a site with no quality links, and a 404 error pages, redirects, spammy footer text sites with 1 link are ranking in the top 50 for allinanchor then something is terribly outdated and wrong.
    Now that I do agree with 100% - in fact it amazes me that the allinanchor, allintitle, allintext results don't seem to mean so much for adult sites as they do for non-adult... it was one of the things that threw me most when I started to study seo - so much of what applies outside of the adult world just doesn't seem to work the same way inside it!

    TBH I often think that G (and others) give much less attention to adult stuff than they ought to; it's bad enough having your pr capped (how is that fair?) without having to always wait 'til the back of the queue for updates!

    Maybe we should start a campaing - "equal rights 4 adult sites" I can just see that being real popular
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    I get the impression that the search engines have left the adult sector alone for a reason. They are either going to do something about it in the future or perhaps they are aware of impending legislation changes?

    If they know that the whole online porn sector is about to face a shake up and wake up, perhaps they are just waiting for this to happen.

    You are absolutely right about adult sites, it seems that at this time you can do whatever you want to without being penalised in the same way that non adult sites are. I have worked on a few and different rules definately apply.
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    Well the BIG legislation changes have already happened with the 2257 reg's of course... They've really depleted the US adult effort and have opened the door to some of the less savory stuff from other countries (particularly those countries where some pretty sick stuff is actually legal).

    I haven't studied the reg's myself because - being in the UK - they don't apply to me at all, but - according to most of the adult webmasters I know & respect - they are ludicrous and unconstitutional and should be overturned once they come up for review.
    As I understand it - bearing in mind that this is only hearsay on my part - the US Gov't have deliberately dragged their feet on this issue. Not a big suprise really - it probably earns them a few votes from those who "always have sex with the lights out" (or don't have the guts to admit otherwise) - lol.

    Unconstitutional or not - this sort of thing is often "allowed" to happen to the adult industry - because so many self-righteous hyprocites choose to take the "easy" moral high ground route!

    One thing I do know is that I have spent a lot of time this year removing dead links from my database because of adult webmasters leaving the industry, and the sad thing is - many of those were at the "respectable" end of the spectrum.

    As far as the serps go, I believe that early bigdaddy results have proven problematic in terms of removing spam etc, it seems almost like it's become more of a "manual task" and so I'm wondering if Google are simply ignoring the adult industry because it saves them time.
    Also - they probably don't care how poor the results are because it's not an area which they particularly wish to be associated with, so maybe they've taken the line that - if the results are dominated by "dirty tricks" - it will simply discourage people from looking! In addition to which, nobody - outside of the industry itself - is likely to take them to task about the fact that they can't find the quality of p0rn they want!

    Or maybe they are going to catch up with it once everything else is in place!

    I do have to laugh when I note the fact that Google will sell adwords for legal adult terms but won't allow adsense ad's on any adult sites

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    I dont understand why Google would let the serps get so bad.
    I thought people were or are searching for p0rn the most out of any sector?. It doesn't make any sense to have so many blank 404's and black hat sites prosper.
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    I stopped having to search for porn after I got divorced. With todays divorce rate, you could be seeing a noticable decrease because of a recent divorce spike.

    oops - you meant why are the serps so bad...

    Frankly, with this new "BigDaddy" roll out, I have noticed a real degridation in the quality of all of my search results. If it weren't for the fact I needed sites indexed by Google, I would have used Yahoo and MSN who results are much better right now under the terms I have been searching for.

    It will get cleaned up, I'm certain, just be patient for another few weeks.
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    Originally Posted by gchaney

    It will get cleaned up, I'm certain, just be patient for another few weeks.
    Ok a few weeks have past and I think that Google search is dead.
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    Originally Posted by messiah1
    Ok a few weeks have past and I think that Google search is dead.
    It did take a while, but finally - on March 8th (I remember 'cos it was my birthday - lol) - serps for my LL went ballistic...
    I have stacks of top 10 spots including some big terms, and traffic from G is the best it's ever been

    Sorry to hear you didn't fare so well
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    Originally Posted by ClickyB
    It did take a while, but finally - on March 8th (I remember 'cos it was my birthday - lol) - serps for my LL went ballistic...
    I have stacks of top 10 spots including some big terms, and traffic from G is the best it's ever been

    Sorry to hear you didn't fare so well
    The serps are still bad I see the same thing regardless of where my site is in the serps.
    I see stuff in other areas also that just don't make any sense.

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