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    HELP HELP HELP - Is it Spam ?


    Hello SEO Professionals

    One of my friend hired a company from India for his SEO. I did check their(that SEO Company) own web site and i can see their own web site has 100s of Keywords in Titles, META and COntent Tags.

    URL is http://www.ace-smart.com/

    Is it Spamming or not ?
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    It's a pathetic attempt to be a SEO but Meta DATA is not spam [at least that which will get you penalized or banned...

    They just suck!
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    its called keyword stuffing. doing this can get your site penalized by search engine specially google
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    Originally Posted by d6rth7ader
    its called keyword stuffing. doing this can get your site penalized by search engine specially google
    Rubbish! Please show 1 example of a penalty for keyword stuffing in Metas.

    They "ignore" it... that's it!
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    Any help with such tactics ?


    Originally Posted by fathom
    Rubbish! Please show 1 example of a penalty for keyword stuffing in Metas.

    They "ignore" it... that's it!
    Even their own rankings for their own keywords = Nothing

    Is there anyone else who could thorugh some light on this so called SEO company ? -

    So my friend could be satisfied how he is being cheated just for so-called Companies
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    competitiveness of keywords in terms of "seo" "company"
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    Originally Posted by fathom
    Rubbish! Please show 1 example of a penalty for keyword stuffing in Metas.

    They "ignore" it... that's it!
    Search engine ignoring a site in itself IS a penalty.
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    I think..(i dunno if he really meant that) he meant that SE`s ignore Meta content after a few words.. or incase, they are too much too handle.. and he didnt meant ignoring the complete site.. not sure if thats exactly what he meant..

    Fathom, kindly clarify..
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    Originally Posted by lovekills_s
    I think..(i dunno if he really meant that) he meant that SE`s ignore Meta content after a few words.. or incase, they are too much too handle.. and he didnt meant ignoring the complete site.. not sure if thats exactly what he meant..

    Fathom, kindly clarify..
    Fathom (as usual) is correct. SE only read a certain amount of characters in meta then..... just ignore. Stuffing metas does not generate penalties it just shows imcompetence... If your friend wants to give their money away Im sure there are more worthwile charity cases than incompetent indian SEO companies.

    Still life is abount learning.. a good lesson for your friend here.. Cheap is not often associated with quality. Still ya never know...... maybee he'll get lucky. The twilight zone is a concept..
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    Originally Posted by itsonlychand
    Hello SEO Professionals

    One of my friend hired a company from India for his SEO. I did check their(that SEO Company) own web site and i can see their own web site has 100s of Keywords in Titles, META and COntent Tags.

    URL is http://www.ace-smart.com/

    Is it Spamming or not ?
    Looks like a jack-of-all trades site. Let me give you some tips for seo sites. Real seo don't offer registration plans. This site does: http://www.ace-smart.com/searchengineregistration.htm

    All they are doing is guaranteed 'registration' in the search engines. I would guess that means indexing.

    There knowledge of the web sucks as well as their data is from the 50s. Looks at their list of the biggest SEs:


    1. Yahoo
    2. Google
    3. Msn
    4. Aol
    5. AltaVista
    6. Go Network
    7. Lycos
    8. Excite

    It should go

    1. Google
    2. Msn
    3. Yahoo
    4. The rest


    You could do this yourself but listen to the -back-breaking work it entails:

    7. Can't we do this ourselves?
    You can, but get ready to spent hours adding your URL to hundreds of search engines. You could be wasting your time. A particular search engine may not be popular or may not be indexing at that time. How will you know: 1) if they accepted your submission, 2) where it was indexed 3) with what keyword, and 4) in what position? Yes, you can search for the keywords you specified in your meta tags, but did the content structure fit with the specific search engine?

    It's been our experience that most in-house efforts are sporadic at best and typically utilize outdated techniques. Keeping up with the search engines is a full-time job, and requires specialized training. We are dedicated to staying intune with the ever-changing world of search engines so you don't have to.



    In 15 seconds you can submit to Google, Yahoo and MSN manually whether it will do any good or not is beside the point. But then I don't have a direct line to Matt Cutts....

    Get this they stay intune with the changing world of search engines. That is very nice to know. Now I won't have to check to see if they changed the color of their submit forms anymore.

    Atleast they offer a guarantee. Maybe your friend can get back his money. How much did he pay?



    Originally Posted by NavyCS
    Search engine ignoring a site in itself IS a penalty.
    You missed it. Fathom said ignore the meta tags not the WHOLE SITE.
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    Oops,your right. Sorry Fathom.
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    I dunno


    Originally Posted by Visio

    Atleast they offer a guarantee. Maybe your friend can get back his money. How much did he pay?
    I don't think so he has paid anything - That company assured when any1 of that keywords will be on 1st page my friend will pay. If you see keywords, there are many "Red Banana" & "Blue Banana" type keywords with no competition at all.

    Thats the point where my friend will be cheated & I know a lot of terrible stories of individuals who paid to Indian companies thinking they are cheap or considering their money back guarantees, all of them paid and what they got back ? NOTHING

    UK or US police won't go to India to release any1's money.

    Any other thoughts from other SEO professionals about Ace-Mart wil be very helpfull for my friend to understand.

    Thanks for all the professionals who gave their valuable suggestions.
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    Google doesn't look at keyword...today, but they are important enough to use for MSN and others.

    It won't hurt to do either.

    Use this formula; In META keywords.
    1. Keep your META keywords short (128 characters max, or 10).
    2. Use your keyword maximum twice, and make one of these a variation of the actual keyword (plural) or in a 3+ keyword phrase
    3. Be sure your page title mirrors your title.

    SOME day goole may reinclude these, and since it can't hurt, I would rather (much like insurance)

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    Originally Posted by itsonlychand
    I don't think so he has paid anything - That company assured when any1 of that keywords will be on 1st page my friend will pay. If you see keywords, there are many "Red Banana" & "Blue Banana" type keywords with no competition at all.
    If they optimise his site like they've optimised their site - he wouldn't even rank for "pink and blue spotted bananas"
    Originally Posted by itsonlychand
    Thats the point where my friend will be cheated & I know a lot of terrible stories of individuals who paid to Indian companies thinking they are cheap or considering their money back guarantees, all of them paid and what they got back ? NOTHING
    In recent years many good people have entered the industry in India; now there are a lot of high quality Indian webdesigners and seo people out there... and this site lets them all down!
    Originally Posted by itsonlychand
    Any other thoughts from other SEO professionals about Ace-Mart wil be very helpfull for my friend to understand.
    How could anybody look at that rubbish and expect them to do a "professional SEO job"?

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    Originally Posted by itsonlychand
    I don't think so he has paid anything - That company assured when any1 of that keywords will be on 1st page my friend will pay. If you see keywords, there are many "Red Banana" & "Blue Banana" type keywords with no competition at all.

    Thats the point where my friend will be cheated & I know a lot of terrible stories of individuals who paid to Indian companies thinking they are cheap or considering their money back guarantees, all of them paid and what they got back ? NOTHING

    UK or US police won't go to India to release any1's money.

    Any other thoughts from other SEO professionals about Ace-Mart wil be very helpfull for my friend to understand.

    Thanks for all the professionals who gave their valuable suggestions.
    Well how much will he be charged if they get him on the top for these phrases?

    I agree with Clicky on this. There are many good Indian seo however because there are so many of them and seo looks like such a profitable market there are crooks as well.
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