Google Keyword ranking Question

Hi,

I have a website With PR 2 rating. WWW (DOt) k9coaching (DOT )com. It has a decent Keyword ranking for my keywords on Yahoo and MSN .. however on Google it ranks very pooerly .. and recently it has dropped further by about 170 to 190 Points for my keywords on Google.

What i wanted to ask was what am i doing wrong that Google doesn't like and other search engines are linking.

Dog Training San Diego 1 On Yahoo , 12 on MSN , 223 on Google ( it was 53rd last week )

Dog Trainer San Diego 1 st on Yahoo , 3rd on MSN , 318 on Google ( was 73 last week )

what i don't understand is what is it that i am doing that my Google ranking in dipping. i have lost 250 to 170 ranks in 4 to 5 days on Google but have retained or gained top spots on Yahoo and MSN at the same time ....

Can any one Advice me what i need to do to make Google God happy.

Thanks in Advance

I would need more information. How long has the site been up?

What is the URL?

Hi Berg,

Sorry The URL is WWW (DOT) k9coaching (DOT ) com .. and the domain is more than 4 years old... i got some changes made to it recently so the site in it's present form would be just about less than 1 year old.

My site have more then 1500 backlnks

Alexa Ranking : 3,808,352

let me know any other information you require

Just look at your Onpage SEO
Do you own factory of keywords ?
This is what i found




So i think you got the answer
Also you would have been got the value of OnPage SEO.

I am afraid to say that's not the reason in my opinion and except that huge meta keyword list and a large ALT tag, i dont think the on page is so bad either.

It again boils down to links....... You say you have more than 1500 links. Have a look at them and you can easily find that your all of your links come from 5 to 6 sites only and mostly from forum links. You are just relying on forum backlinks and thus paying the price, whereas your competitors might be working day in and day out for quality backlinks and quality content.

Its a good example for those who give a lot more weightage to forum backlinks than they deserve.

Work on your backlinks with a proper anchor text usage, things will be better than.

Hi,

Thanks for the reply .... It's a Joomla Website i have tried to optimize it to the best of my ability ....and most of the back links come from my other two Dog Blogs Both are PR 2 as well ... is it bad ( or can i be penalized ) if most of my links come from a few sites... I have just recently started working on Directory Listing .. and i have submitted my site to almost 200 + directories ( last week ).. so those back-links should start to show up soon as well.

Any other Suggestion anyone have that i should look for..What my real quesry was why is Google not linking my site while other search engine seem to be fine with my site.

Thanks for the Advise

See, if you are just getting links from the same sites and that too forum and blog links, they would hardly carry any weightage.

No you wont be panalized its just that they wont work wonders for you. For quality links that may influence your SERP's, you've got to attain links from relevant sites, not just forum or blog links. Or create quality content thats so unique that one might link to you automatically.

As for Google not liking you, may be the other search engines are'nt of the same quality as Google. Its way ahead of them in the algorithm and quality. I can notice a lot of spammed and useless sites on the other Search Engines coz still their algo seems to like the keyword being flooded at them.

If too many links are are coming from 5 to 6 sites, you are going to get very little importance. Google also looks for the IP address of the sites, for google 1 link coming from particular Ip and 10 links from one Ip is same. it will consider it as 1 link only.

So I suggesst try to get good quality links from different Ip. That will help you.

Firstly you need to understand one thing: different search engines have different algorithms. Just because you rank well in one, it doesn't necessarily mean you will rank well in another.

Secondly, read jalaj4you's post - links are the key. And not just any links - quality links with the use of good anchor text. A good practise is to find out what sites your top competitors are linking with, and see if they'll also link to you.

You've got to remember that the top sites are at the top for a reason - they're doing something right. Do some analysis, make a plan and get cracking!

You are concentrating on insignificant factors of search engine rankings, as you have mentioned your Alexa rank and your percentage dropping for your keywords.

Ignore these completely they are rubbish you don't need to concern yourself with. As Jalaj4you said it's all about links from relevant sites and quality content to attract natural links.

Well Well Well... All of the above suggestions are cool but do you think they will work??

Man, I dont blame your backlinks, I dont blame algorithms, I dont blame Joomla either.. I blame you for your stupidity.. {trying not be rude, but this is so weird}

How can you expect it to rank well with all those loads of Duplicate Content? Do you know Yahoo and MSN might tolerate dup content, but Google does not..I know you will ask where is the duplicate content.. so watch it out here:

http://copyscape.com/view.php?o=88989&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sitk9sit.com%2F&t=1216711295&s=http%3A%2F%2Fk9coaching.com%2F&w=107&c=

http://copyscape.com/view.php?o=88989&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.k-9coaching.com%2F&t=1216711295&s=http%3A%2F%2Fk9coaching.com%2F&w=93&c=

http://copyscape.com/view.php?o=88989&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sitk9sit.com%2Findex.cfm&t=1216711295&s=http%3A%2F%2Fk9coaching.com%2F&w=86&c=

And thats not just 100 words copied its a full website copy of almost 300 words.. damn thats huge!!

http://copyscape.com/view.php?o=88989&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sitk9sit.com%2Fdog-training-technique.html&t=1216711295&s=http%3A%2F%2Fk9coaching.com%2F&w=23&c=

http://copyscape.com/view.php?o=88989&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sitk9sit.com%2FCustom-Dog-Training.html&t=1216711295&s=http%3A%2F%2Fk9coaching.com%2F&w=23&c=

And the list of duplicate content in loads go on!!!! Change it or Live with it.. thats upto you..!! And when you are done with all that, hear to what others have to say about your website on the posts above!! You are not going to land up anywhere in SERPS with all that.. Hire a content writer if you cant write.. keep in mind, For Google Unique content is God!! Hurry Up!!

Should help

And in fact both the sites k9coaching and sitk9sit are almost the photocopies of each other. The only difference is one is in PHP and the other being in Cold Fusion.

Hi,

Yes that is correct sitk9Sit is the old site .. and K9coaching is a exact replica of the SitK9Sit ( apart from the new blog we have set up and a New Store ) . As joomla is more customizable and easy to maintain we opted for Joomal and had the site redone in Joomla... we wanted to have a Dog Store and blog on site.. Joomla provided some good options.

basically i have 3 Sites Sitk9sit , K9coaching and my Blog . and out of my 1500 backlinks 900 are from the two sites Sitk9sit and

This is a very good point raised by some members... We still have the old site live .. does that hurt our new site ranking to a extant that we should close it ? If it is the case i would consider closing the old site? would that help Or i just need new Content altogether and closing the old site would not make any difference .. which is the better way? what are your thoughts on that?

I could consider closing SitK9Sit however it has some good Ranking for some of my keywords... and it still generates significant amount of traffic for me.. But if this is what is making my new site to rank lower i can consider closing it... I need to Concentrate on my Dog Store on my new site

Many Back links to k9coaching are from Sitk9sit as well.