Google Conspiracy Thoughts

Ok some of you might call me crazy but I just want to throw this out and see what the responses are.

So I have a website (my homebase) if you will. I am #1 on Google for about 95% of my target keywords. I am #1 for probably 80% of my "target keywords" phrase match.

Then for my PPC own #1 because of my click quality score.

So I have been looking for ways to grow. So I bought out two of my competitors domains. These domains were in positions 2-5 for probably 75% of my target and any sort of phrase match keyword you can imagine.

I also wanted to get PPC going on these domains. I imagined virtually owning the 1-3 PPC and 1-3 natural.

Well after about 2 months of PPC, Google shuts my PPC monopoly down. They found out that all 3 domains were owned by the same corporation and that they sold the same things and that they were advertising for the same keywords. Google's statement was "we do not allow multiple websites to advertise for the same keyword if they are owned by the same interested party"

They claimed that this made their search results not as accurate and what not.

So since all my domains are owned by the same company, and monitored within the same client manager, and all are fully invested with Google Analytics and webmaster tools..... could this actually be hurting my SEO efforts? If Google is going to not allow me to advertise multiple domains, wouldn't it also be in their best interest to not allow my domains to dominate SERPS? DO you think Google looks at Whois?

Then there is my final question. Sorry again for the length of this post, but I've found SEOchat to be an amazing resource when I need something...

There is this 31 year old (used to work at Google) who runs papercheck dot com. This guy is pretty slick. I have been learning everything I can about this guy. I'm seriously thinking about trying to compete in the sector. Paper-Check .com LLC does over $1 million per year.

Do a google for: paper proofreading on Google. Notice the domain is paper-check ranking #1. Then on Yahoo for same search the domain is papercheck. What is he doing? Why the different domains. But then when you click on any of the links after coming off the paper-check google SERP, the URL goes back to just papercheck. ANyone have more insight on why he is doing this?

O.K. I'm done. Please just pick and choose your areas to respond to.

Time and time again people ask about whether Google PPC can effect the Google Organic SERPs.

THEY DO NOT!

PPC has absolutely no effect on Organic Search.

They use different search spiders to check the content. They have a different index and they have a completely different algorithm and ranking model.

Google explicitly states that PPC does NOT effect organic search.

You can completely understand Google's reasoning for not allowoing one company to monopolise the PPC sectors for any search terms. This is just good practice, it stops someone running away with it in a particular area.

Google is brilliant in every way. This is just another example of Google's level of vigiliance and professionalism.

No conspiracy, just greatness.

have you looked into the whois to see if he just purchased a domain, just as you did?

You are absolutely right but in some cases the sites running PPC along with General Seo practises for some time will also get good organic search rankings..

Google PPC and Google organic are operated by different people, they are not combined and being banned from the PPC will not get you banned from the organic...
having said that I believe and don't quote me on this but I believe Matt said one time that Google did not like to see more than one site owned by the same person which is selling/offering the same thing to rank for the same keywords. Although its not a conspiracy...

BTW if I were google I would have also removed your other site as it is a monopoly and the consumer doesn't need to click 5 PPC ads before he finds a different advertiser... that is ridiculous.

Actually, Why venture into PPC when you have already taken over your competing domains? Just hook up kewl content on the other domains as well (ofcourse the theme is same, of them being your competitors) so that the ranks do stay up.. utilise everything you can from those domains + your original domain.. Regarding the google adwords, They their TOS clearly written.. they cannot force you to do something on their own..

Thats something to provide a chance to everyone to have equal share of what they pay for..and thats fair business IMO..

If they wud allow such, then perhaps, anyone can throw money to buy all the slots for a particular keyword with his numerous website being the landing URL's.. Quiet unfair that sounds..no?

You can achive monopoly with organic SERPS which is far more bigger then the paid rankings.. Even if a competitor rises from somewhere, either first, or second, or third of your websites should be enuff to settle all those tid bits sites down in the basement

If I were you, I could have planned to operate the other domains as a seperate entity and by no means, would show signs to visitors of those being related to my domain in someway or the other. That way, I would have captured the total CTR from being on the top 7-8 slots as well the conversions would funnel down to my bank account only.. but thats just an Idea.. there can be certain issues linked to it though..do check if you plan on these terms..

PPC, and Organic are seperate, so you do not need to worry about that.

The problem you may have, is owning the top websites. This is a monopoly, and no-one likes a monopoly. If you are managing all these sites using the same webmaster tools account, then this may ring an alarm bell in Google Search. Remember that Google does not HAVE to list your sites, so if someone there finds out that you are monopolizing a particular searchterm, then they could (in theory) ban one, or all of the sites. It would not be the first time this has happened.

If papercheck guy worked at Google, he may have connections there, and may be able to get around the usual penalty causing activity.

Is that logical? I doubt very much that the OP is a top PPC advertiser and I doubt very much that Google Adwords employees would goto the trouble if selecting his site, then finding an accomplice in Google organic search who is willing to somehow penalize the aforementioned site... that would be simple compared to what would really need to be done. It isn't like any Google employee can tamper with sites in Google or can just decide to "penalize" sites...




It is all automated so if he were to try and tamper with his account then there is a very very good chance he would be un-employed. I think many people have a far to simplified view of Google as though any employee has access to all parts of Google search/ppc etc etc... while the real truth is even the big guys and those well known such as Matt Cutts only have a thin slice of the cake, and they are limited in what they can do.

So really the idea that penalizations are carried over to the organic search via human agents is quite far-fetched... and the idea that it is automaticly done is also out since it would be automatic and this was not true with the OP.

I may say! don't be so greedy, just be contented in what you have. If you want to improve your profits do it in a nice way. Don't worry!organic results won't hurt your site its different from PPC. Even if google look in whois, I think there is no possibility that your site will be game over in the SERP, they may just care about your PPC account.

lol,

His competitors will report him. He'll wind up with all three sites gone from the first page. Then he'll be back crying about how he lost XXXX amount in income and conveniently forget to mention the 2 other websites that he had.

This stuff always comes home to roost.

Right way to do it: 301 redirect the competitors selling the exact same products to your #1 site.

Sneaky way to do it. Incorporate with unique addresses, phone numbers etc. Unique peeps for each site. Everything segregated. Shielded by individual corp identities.

Still a chance you'll get found out, but a lot harder than making it plain as day. Why do you think you got banned in PPC for two sites? Because you make it easy to see....lol

You're not the first one to do this stuff and you'll certainly not be the last. You're just not apparently the brightest at it.....lol (you can just send my check in the mail for this great advice)

Gotttttttttttta love greedy peeps man.

Hello,

I just thought I would take a minute to explain that we are not using the editing industry to generate millions of dollars for our company (Paper-Check.Com, LLC.). We are not doing anything illegal. I have not found a “secret” to obtaining high search engine results. I have spent 8-years building a solid business from the ground up. It has not been easy, and I would not recommend it to anyone.

The reason Google displayed our Web site as paper-check dot com instead of papercheck dot com was due to a mistake written in an article by Bloggingstocks. It was the first domain I purchased prior to obtaining Papercheck. I moved our Web site to Rackspace earlier this year, and, unfortunately, we forgot to perform a 301 redirect to the main domain. Believe me: we were heavily penalized for a month because there were two domains pointed to the same IP.

To recap, I am not an SEO genius; my former co-workers at Google are in Adwords and have nothing to do with our successful search results. Hard work, good customer support, dedicated employees, and honesty are the only ways in which to achieve success in the business world.

Good luck, and sorry to dash everyone’s hopes.

Darren

Off Course they do.
If not then your PPC campaign still would have been working.
If you meant for SEO and not SEM then also they look at Whois.