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    full sentence BL's (combination of KW's)


    Anyone have any good evidence that a long full sentence a-text (combination of KW's) works, just as well as if you target multiple single KW a-text BL?
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    As a link is a vote for a certain page to rank for the anchor it carries, it probably is helping a bit, but by trying to get backlinks having full sentences as anchors isn't probably a good practice in terms of link building. This is because you're most likely going to dilute your efforts and the benefit of the backlinks will just get lowered for each targetted keyword.
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    That said, I wouldn't target one-word keywords with a very new site. Call it a hunch, but that is just too cocky. Start with mainly two-, three- or four-word phrases instead. If you're getting lots of links, throw in the odd "full sentence" for good measure. Move focus to one-word anchor texts later... (but not all of them: always keep varying).

    It can help your serps for people who like to include "common" words in their queries. But don't overdo it. It is not very natural to have a lot of those (as seo_sensey already mentioned in a way )
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    Remember to make Your BL look as natural as possible. 50% on links with one anchor text don't look natural. Try to put some aditional words link" Click here for kw", "Visit our kw". I'm using this technique and have some good results.
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    We always target a-text for KW's, and have never used full sentence's as BL's.

    I have run into some BL's that have been using full sentence's as BL's.

    I am looking to see if anyone here used full sentence's as BL's and gets good SERPS.

    Thanks for all the replies.
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    Using this linking technique is not unusual. I have seen it many times before. I just happen to be of the opinion that it is not the most effective way in which to reach a target.

    When contemplating back link development, think in terms of weight. Where is the link coming from? Add weight to the link. PR? Think of weight. The more links on the page, the lower the value in terms of weight.

    More important phrases should be placed with important industry sites. Low link count, higher PR links should also you important phrases.

    The more words within the anchor of the link dilutes the value of the link in terms of weight. You wanna rank for "Cryster Clear Widgets", why would you want to lose benefit of that link buy having the anchor say "You should really consider buying Crystal Clear Widgets from this site." as you anchor text. You have now diluted the benefit of that anchor text for your target phrase by diluting it from exact 3 words to being spread to 11 words, though you will rank quite well for your sentence...lol... probably #1 with just one link.
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    I agree, but they are using KW's all in a row making it sound like a sentence, like

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    ::: What You Don't Know About Link Reputation May Not Be As Helpful As You Think :::

    Originally Posted by sgroup
    Anyone have any good evidence that a long full sentence a-text (combination of KW's) works, just as well as if you target multiple single KW a-text BL?

    We always target a-text for KW's, and have never used full sentence's as BL's.

    I have run into some BL's that have been using full sentence's as BL's.

    I am looking to see if anyone here used full sentence's as BL's and gets good SERPS.
    Hi sGroup,

    If we understand your question correctly then we'd like to post a previous reply of ours to a similar type of question whereby you may glean some insight.

    First, we'd like to explain that of the following backward links ...

    A). <A HREF=http://www.frugaltown.com/>Simple Frugal Living Tips for Moms, Family & Singles</A>
    B). <A HREF=http://www.frugaltown.com/>Simple Living Tips for Frugal Moms, Family & Singles</A>
    C). <A HREF=http://www.frugaltown.com/>Simple Frugal Living Tips for Family & Singles</A>
    D). <A HREF=http://www.frugaltown.com/>Frugal Living Tips for Moms, Family & Singles</A>

    ... D). Will help your homepage to rank the highest for the term ...

    tips for frugal living

    Originally Posted by clickinmail
    What I have been doing is using Frugal Living Tips as my anchor text when submitting to directories. I submitted to ALOT of directories in the category that suits my site using Frugal Living Tips as my anchor text, will this still be okay as far as back links to my site?
    Amy, depending on just how competitive, (i.e., how many backward links you'll need) the term ...

    frugal living tips

    ... Is, on just how many backward links with that anchor text you'll need to acquire a top 10 or #1 ranking.

    Let's just say for illustration purposes that you need 500 backward links with the anchor text ...

    frugal living tips

    ... To acquire a #1 ranking. Now, if the search engines realize that all 500 of your backward links use the same anchor text, then that "may" trigger a red flag (so to speak) which "could" alert them to a "manipulation situation" whereby they may either not pass as many ranking points to your page than if your links were more "natural" in appearance or your page may not receive any ranking points at all from various backward links.

    None of this is set in stone, of course, and it is merely speculation which just happens to be a large part of the nature of SEO since no SEO has the exact algorithm factors and calculations to read and study from.

    Therefore, it would be a good idea if you used some "natural link text" to offset just a single keyword phrase being present in all or a good portion of your backward links.

    Keep in mind that a natural link would include your URL like this ...

    <A HREF=http://www.frugaltown.com/>http://www.frugaltown.com/</A>

    ... Or this ...

    <A HREF=http://www.frugaltown.com/>www.frugaltown.com/</A>

    ... Or this ...

    <A HREF=http://www.frugaltown.com/>frugaltown.com</A>

    We advise not to use more than 8 words in your anchor text. An example would be ...

    <A HREF=http://www.frugaltown.com/>Simple Frugal Living Tips for Moms, Family & Singles</A>

    ... Because not only will you receive link reputation points for the term ...

    frugal living tips

    ... But you will also receive link reputation points for all of the various word combinations such as ...

    .............................
    Wordtracker Daily Searches
    .............................
    08/21/05
    .............................
    frugal living 558 541
    frugal living for singles 28 27
    frugal living tips 39 38
    frugal moms 12 12
    frugal or simple living 16 16
    frugal single 3 3
    frugal tips 29 28
    tips for frugal living 5 5
    .............................

    Therefore, once you have completed your in-depth keyword research you'll quickly realize that you can "kill more than just two birds with one stone" ... In fact, you can optimize for SEVERAL keyword phrases (as shown above) at once within just one backward link.

    Now, keep in mind that the words that appear in your title element <TITLE></TITLE> also count towards ranking points for your page.

    Now, Amy, just to give you an idea of a more optimized way to write your title element, below is our example and below it are just some of the secondary keyword phrases that will be created along with their daily search totals according to Wordtracker.

    SEO TIP: Just because your page will now be returned in the SERP (Search Engine Results Pages) for all of the word combinations does not mean that they will be highly ranked in the SERP. If the keyword phrase is competitive then you will need to acquire a certain amount of backward links with those keyword phrases as its anchor text. If the keyword phrase is not competitive then you may only need to acquire a few backward links with those keyword phrases as its anchor text and often that can be achieved simply by your own intra-domain links.

    Your Current Title Element ...

    <TITLE>Frugal Living Tips from Frugal Town - Where Frugal Living is Fun!</TITLE>


    Our Example of a More Optimized Title Element ...

    <TITLE>Simple Frugal Living for Moms, Family, Singles - Gourmet Cooking, Meals, Recipes, Menus & Shopping Tips and Ideas</TITLE>

    SEO TIP: Google will only display the first 10 words of your title element but they will give ranking consideration to the first 150 (or so) characters (about 25 words) of your title element.

    Below are the current daily search totals according to Wordtracker for a few of the queries that your page will be found for if you use our suggested title.

    frugal 448.0/day
    frugal cooking 41.0/day
    frugal family 2.0/day
    frugal family living 4.0/day
    frugal family recipes 11.0/day
    frugal gourmet 81.0/day
    frugal gourmet recipes 22.0/day
    frugal ideas 10.0/day
    frugal living 512.0/day
    frugal living for singles 22.0/day
    frugal living tips 40.0/day
    frugal living tips and ideas 2.0/day
    frugal meals 30.0/day
    frugal menus 2.0/day
    frugal menus ideas 2.0/day
    frugal moms 11.0/day
    frugal or simple living 29.0/day
    frugal recipes 90.0/day
    frugal shopping 25.0/day
    frugal tips 25.0/day


    ::: Non Frugal Keyword Phrases :::

    family 448.0/day
    family living 9.0/day
    family meal menus 26.0/day
    family meal recipes 9.0/day
    family meals 20.0/day
    family menus 8.0/day
    family recipes 29.0/day
    family shopping 2.0/day
    gourmet 624.0/day
    gourmet cooking 71.0/day
    gourmet menus 4.0/day
    gourmet recipes 356.0/day

    ::: Putting A Keyword Phrase's Daily Search Frequency Into Perspective :::

    While the following calculations are not an exact science nor are they etched in stone for each and every keyword phrase, they will be able to give you some perspective of what you can expect when you acquire a top 10 ranking on Google.

    Out of every 100 people who query Google for a keyword phrase ...

    • 84 will click on one of the organic (free) listings on the left side of the page.

    • 16 will click on one of the sponsored (fee) listings (AdWords ads) on the right side of the page.

    • 42 will click on one of the top 3 organic listings. (50% of all organic clicks)

    • 23 will click on the #1 organic listing. (27.4% of all organic clicks)

    • 10 will click on the #3 organic listing. (12% of all organic clicks)

    • 2-10 will click on the #4 to #10 organic listings. (3%-12% of all organic clicks)

    • 8 will click on the #1 sponsored listing. (51% of all sponsored clicks)



    • 100 will read the top 3 organic listings.

    • 85 will read the #4 organic listing.

    • 60 will read the #5 organic listing.



    • 90 will read the top 2 sponsored listings.

    • 50 will read the #3 sponsored listing.


    It may be hard to top the next piece of data shared by Hotchkiss. He demonstrated his eye-tracking survey (50 participants) - where participant's eye movements were tracked to accurately record which search results received the most attention.

    He showed a Google search results page with an "eye tracking map" that looked similar to a thermal imagery chart (with the "hotspots" showing the most eye contact). The study distinctly showed most eyes look at the top left corner of the search results, with a small coverage at the top of the paid search results.

    Hotchkiss explained that a users' eye is drawn to a triangle pattern which he named "Search's Golden Triangle", with searchers scanning from the top left to the page's "fold" line and then left (in a triangle pattern). While the triangle did not really extend below the fold, 60% of participants scrolled down below the fold, with only 40% taking a look at the paid search results on the right (above fold).

    Finally he shared some data on how page position impacted visibility and ultimately click-thrus.

    For Organic Results on Google:
    100% visibility for the top 3 organic results
    85% for the No.4 position
    60% for the No. 5 position

    For Organic Click-Thrus on Google:
    28% click on the No.1 position
    Drops to 12% by position No. 3
    Remainder share 3-12% of click-thrus

    For Paid Search Results on Google
    90% visibility for the top 2 AdWords advertisers
    50% visibility for the No.3 position.

    Source: http://www.webpronews.com/news/ebusinessnews/wpn-45-20050228SESSearchBehavior.html
    Other useful snippets from Brown:

    * 1 in 2 searchers will use another search engine, if they cannot find what they are looking for.
    * 1 in 3 searchers use search engine toolbars - the greatest retention tool the search engines ever created, in my opinion.
    * 17% of searchers use different search engines for different types of searches.

    Source: http://www.webpronews.com/news/ebusinessnews/wpn-45-20050228SESSearchBehavior.html
    On Search Results

    * "…most users look for a number of specific items…these items include the key phrase in the title or description, product information and trusted brand names and vendors." (pg 4)

    * Every other person surveyed believed that all search results were influenced by money and were not truly "organic". (pg 10)

    * "Almost 80% initially skipped over all sponsored listings and went straight to the top organic results. In most cases, their eye never came back to the sponsored listings." (pg 13)

    * "79% either didn’t look at the sponsored links at all, or only looked at them after they had gone through the organic results." (pg 14)

    * "If there was not a clearly relevant and useful site in the top 3, 87% of the participants would scroll down to look at the bottom organic results. However, if there was a highly relevant, quality site in the top 3 listings, 58% would scroll down to check all results before choosing a link to click on." (pg 15)

    * If the searcher couldn’t find what they wanted on the first page, 21% of them went to the second. The rest did a new search. (pg 16)

    Source: http://technology.ccci.org/webmarketing/searcher_mind.html
    SOURCES:

    Recent Study Reveals A 16% Click-Through Rate For Google Ads
    http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?p=117468#117468

    SES: Search Behavior
    http://www.webpronews.com/news/ebusinessnews/wpn-45-20050228SESSearchBehavior.html

    Into the Mind of the Searcher
    http://www.enquiro.com/net-profit/Inside-the-Mind.asp
    http://www.enquiro.com/research.asp
    http://www.enquiro.com/Downloads/

    In conclusion, we'd like to end with a little tidbit about how Google is currently scoring link reputation points.

    SEO TIP: Google will only give link reputation points to the first 8 words of anchor text.

    For example, in the following link ...

    <A HREF=http://www.frugaltown.com/>Frugal Living Tips from Frugal Town - Where Frugal Living is Fun!</A>

    ... Only the first 8 words are passing link reputation points to the homepage. The words ...

    living is fun

    ... Will not pass any link reputation points to the homepage.



    Here's another example. Let's say that you find the following 3 links ...

    <A HREF=http://www.frugaltown.com/>Simple Frugal Living for Moms</A>

    <A HREF=http://www.frugaltown.com/>Shopping Tips and Ideas for Frugal Families</A>

    <A HREF=http://www.frugaltown.com/>Gourmet Cooking, Meals and Recipes for Frugal Singles</A>

    ... On the SAME page and listed in the order shown. This simply means that ONLY the first 8 words are passing link reputation points to the homepage. Thus, the following words ...

    simple frugal living for moms shopping tips and

    ... Are passing link reputation points to the homepage but the other words that follow ...

    ideas for frugal families gourmet cooking meals and recipes for frugal singles

    ... Are not. To further help you to understand this concept, let's say that you find the following 3 links ...

    <A HREF=http://www.frugaltown.com/>Gourmet Cooking, Meals and Recipes for Frugal Singles</A>

    <A HREF=http://www.frugaltown.com/>Simple Frugal Living for Moms</A>

    <A HREF=http://www.frugaltown.com/>Shopping Tips and Ideas for Frugal Families</A>

    ... On the SAME page and listed in the order shown. This simply means that ONLY the first 8 words are passing link reputation points to the homepage. That means only the first link is passing link reputation points and the other two links are not.

    Special characters such as question marks < ? >, commas < , >, periods < . >, exclamation marks < ! >, ampersands < & >, colons < : > and the like are not treated as words and therefore, do not count as a word when used as anchor text or in HTML elements such as the title <TITLE></TITLE> or the heading <H1></H1> of a page. The search engines treat these characters just as if they weren't present. They are nonissues and do not help or hinder your rankings. The only exception would be the apostrophe (i.e., he's, she's, let's and it's) because they are treated as 2 words.

    We've seen evidence in some cases where only the first 6 or 7 words are passing link reputation points. There is also evidence where certain links on a page are not passing link reputation points while other links on the SAME page are. And of course, we've seen evidence where no links on a page are passing link reputation points even though the page "appears" to be because it is indexed and it is found in the SERP when you query the various anchor text used.

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    Originally Posted by eclipse
    Remember to make Your BL look as natural as possible. 50% on links with one anchor text don't look natural. Try to put some aditional words link" Click here for kw", "Visit our kw". I'm using this technique and have some good results.
    I can't believe I never though of this! I'm implementing this immediately!

    Sharon and Roy, great info as always.
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    very good info - thanks for the post.
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    Something that I've found latey, is to link to my posts directly for the first couple of weeks and build up my links to about 250 links (link exchanges).

    Then start with no more than 10% of my links with the exact anchor text I want to the index page.

    When I link to my subpages, I only ever link to a page once, I have a random anchor text generator that I fill with over 500 different pages or posts if it's a forum.

    When I link to the posts I use nothing but:

    I found a really cool post about keyword, take a look:
    http://www.whateversite.com/forum/forum2/ftopic4958.html

    The http part is linked with the same url for anchor text, the top part with the keyword in it is NOT linked and is NOT anchor text. It is plain text only. In other words, I don't use anchor text.

    I find that about ten percent of the links that I get from other people, will get changed up and guess what, it looks 100% natural.

    It sounds like a lot of effort, but getting rankings is all about effort.

    Anyway I find that even the posts or pages I don't ever link too, end up getting really great rankings as well, and it totally dodges the sandbox, It's the best way to get rankings with using anchor text. I've even seen a couple of online pharmacies ranking in the top ten and then don't have very many links coming into the index page with Online pharmacy as the anchor text... ever noticed those sites like rxlist.com that rank all over the place for every keyword? Check them out, you won't see anchor text being used.

    For some reason this seems to be the best way to build a site's authority without being in the sandbox.

    Anyway these are just thoughts.

    In otherwords, do exactly what you think WON'T get you the rankings and google will usually give you exactly what you want.
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    one thing we do is change the title tag of the pages - that gets G-bot over more times.

    The other benefit is those scrapper sites that link to us give us links with the title tag as the a-text, so changing the title tag every month will mix up the overall a- text enough to look natural

    good thread ...

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