Forums: How much juice?

Hi Guys

How much juice can you extract from your signature in a forum relate to your business?

It is worthy to put your signature in more thread within the same forum in order to bump the ranking? or it does not matter how many times your signatures shown

Hi fq,

The first question is (obviously) impossible to answer.

For related forums you will most likely see a very small benefit (assuming the forum don't "nofollow" sig' links) in Google.

See here for results of a test.

Multiple links from the same site aren't really going to improve the situation either (except to "update" the listing when older threads disappear into oblivion) and - apart from the lack of influence these type of links have - they are also fairly short-lived. If you're posting for links for SEO purposes, this would be a poor use of your time... If you're posting for traffic that's a different matter entirely.

Thanks clickyB BUT if I understand OK he said that assuming that we use our keyword in our signature, it does help in SERP(suposing they do not use nofollow)

It will no matter to have 100 or 1000000 of post within the same forum but it will matter to have many signatures in many diferent forums using our keyword anchor text

It's worth nothing to Google, and next to nothing in Yahoo... that's 87% of the searching public you'll absolutely won't see... and while a limited test shows resounding success in MSN/Live from a SEO forum doing all the work for a jewelry site... a closer look isn't so rosy.

That test also proved another very important point... "you'll never give up your day job based on forum links and the success you'll get from MSN/Live... you'll rarely get traffic and remotely get sales"... but the ranks do look impressive.

Ultimately that's the defining point of any SEO test... "will it make me money?"

...and the definitive answer there is "NO!"

I am sorry Fathom I did not express myself clear

Lets say that business is renting apartments.

Will I get any juice from the signature of a renting apartments forum?. Thanks

It's a question of logistics.

You have a sig... you post today, your sig-link is prominent in the forum... if no one else posts then you might get something...

But other post additional newer threads, and by the end of the month your thread that you posted in is bury on thread page 3 or 4 and those threads and post get indexed in Google and settle into supplemental results for a long, long nap until someone makes a wierd query and Google shows it... and maybe they post.

Course if a thread is in supplemental results there is absolutely no link juice... "the thread need to get back into the primary archive"... and in there is the rub...

A thread like the ones that Garythescubaguy does - tends to get direct links to it... that's likely to stay in primary results so sure... those links will help... but just posting and having a link in your sig won't do a damn thing.

In context... get yourself on Gary's schedule and the next thread he starts post immediately after him with something that won't get deleted... that link willl likely be as best as you can get... remembering though a link from a SEO forum isn't going to help alot in ranks.

Not too much, but just boost seach engine speed to index your site. Another effect is to scare your competitor, I ever meet a site has thousands backlinks all coming from DP sig, but it will really threaten your competitor if he don't make deep analysis

Thanks Fathom, as usual clear like crystal, so I can structure my forum link batin campaign in a much more efficiente way

Again i don't think it will help to much with the rankings but i believe you can get some great PR if you are helping people in the correct forums and with any business word of mouth is a great tool.

Do a multiple DC check for "engagement rings" in Google. Should see me around number 15 in all but ONE DC, still all forum links but a few... nothing else changed on the site either... 400 hits a day. Take a look at google.ca too, now this is impressive in my mind.

Not enough to justify the time required to make the posts - even if you simply post "me too" at the bottom of a thread that you do not read.

Spectulation isn't fact... it isn't even "probable" or "possible"... "1" related link is all you need... millions of unrelated one are "a link's a link" but not responsible for ranks...

It understandable that you will see backlinks from SEOCHat forums - you have 461 post (maybe somewhat less page links) from the site and more from a car site.

But you can't claim the above without saying this:

"Related or unrelated - relevant or not makes no difference."

Your "other" links are from "extremely related websites"... why bother with any "related" if unrelated is just as good since it's obvious that their are 99% more potential unrelated links compared to related ones.

...and the answer is "if you didn't have the "related links" you wouldn't rank!



Related links are responsible for this!



related links are responsible for this.



...and related links are responsible for this to!

But before you can claim that off topic links are invaluable you need to purge your website from all related links... then your claim "might have merit".

bottom line, is after everything, I really don't know what's doing it for me on this site. I know the jump in links from the forum once i added the sig got me the MSN spot, I've done this with many other sites to back up that claim, but google and google.ca's results are a surprise to me, but hey I can't complain

If 4-10 related backlinks can get you number 1 in .ca and top 20 in Google. I'm really on to something...

Cheers bud

EDIT: I think being a KID and domain age has something to do with it... how much??? IDK that either. This one is a shocker.

This sounds vaguely familiar... oh maybe because the term isn't all that competitive in dot.ca nor getting to #15 in Google.com... but that doesn't mean much to someone else in some other industry.

I would normally guess "engagement rings" to be rather competitive... but as you pointed out... there's a reason "why?"

Your forum link story isn't a SEO success story. Seriously if it was bringing in the bankroll... why are you relying solely on a depreciating SEO forum links and a car blog links for your superb success?

Proving a point doesn't sound logical against making money.

Something doesn't add up... and with "all these other "successful sites" why are you still messing around with poor-man strategies?

Course I guess I should put my money on the table [BTW thanks in advance]

If almost totally, purely crappy links can get you to #1 and #15 - then superb links will certainly surpass your domain... let's test this!

Fathom, I wasn't saying it was a success story by any means, I was saying...its crazy how I'm now there in Google, and my friend, "engagement rings" is VERY competitive. Bluenile.com alone does 300 million+ a year. The reason I have not been pushing the site harder is because I have 4 other jewelry sites which are doing as well or better, but MORE IMPORTANTLY, the sites are all still in BETA mode, in other words we have not been accepting orders. Just testing visitor data and behavior. We will FINALLY be taking orders in 3 days (tentatively), trust me I'm not happy either about having these spots with such little return thus far. Its a good thing buying jewelry isn't near as much of a repeat order business as others are, or I'd have lost a lot of important customers during the past 7+ months. PM me if you want to see another domain or two of mine in this industry I HAVE worked on. Take a look at the top 15 in Google (backlinks, etc.) and tell me it is "normal" or "unsurprising" I'm where I'm at. You do that and come back with good evidence as to it not being peculiar, I'll be very surprised as to how you'll back it up.

I also was paying out 40% of commissions on this domain until I bought it outright (was leasing), which also led me to work harder on the other domains. The .ca ranking hasn't been there for more than 30 days and the top twenty in Google about 2.5 months. I'm directing many of the visitors elsewhere via temporary referral which is bringing in something but is still upsetting hands down. I manage 4 other industries and cannot do everything. I hadn't planned to do SEO on this site until a little while from now, but when the rankings practically just "show up" it makes me wonder, I know what I've done and I know what Ive done with other sites (a hell of a lot more work) only to never get results like these. Its just strange is my point here - NOTHING BEYOND that. Trust me, when the orders start pouring in, check back on the site, but bookmark it cause it won't be a sig link any longer...lol.