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    flash intro vs. no flash intro affect ranking?


    Starting a new site and wodnering if putting a flash intro on it would affect ranking? Would it grab text from the following page for ranking or the flash intro?
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    Google can read html but cannot read text within flash images or follow links embedded in flash.
    Do a right click on your page then view source. This is what Google will see.
    Can you see any content or href links?
    Also try running the URL thru http://validator.w3.org/
    If Google can't see content or links then it can't rank your site or follow links to your html pages.
    Make sure you have some html links that google can follow.
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    Originally posted by xl5
    Google can read html but cannot read text within flash images or follow links embedded in flash.
    Do a right click on your page then view source. This is what Google will see.
    Can you see any content or href links?
    Also try running the URL thru http://validator.w3.org/
    If Google can't see content or links then it can't rank your site or follow links to your html pages.
    Make sure you have some html links that google can follow.
    I know that what i meant was would my site get hurt in raking if I put a flash intro on it and under it have html links to the main home page vs. just having the main home page as the index
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    remember the further/deep you go into the site the less PR those pages will receive. So your Flash splash page will have the most PR. Without real content on that page you wont receive that much PR to begin with unless you build up an enormous amount of backlinks.

    My suggestion would be to NOT use one.

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    Independent of Google, some studies have shown that flash intro pages are detrimental to your sites conversions. Many visitors flee when presented with splash pages whether just graphic images or flash. YMMV.
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    Originally posted by edkhosting
    I know that what i meant was would my site get hurt in raking if I put a flash intro on it and under it have html links to the main home page vs. just having the main home page as the index
    You can do this, it will still follow any of your HTML links if you put them below the flash file, but as your "new" homepage with a flash intro won't have any TEXT content on it I don't suspect it's a good idea.
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    Originally posted by Manga27
    You can do this, it will still follow any of your HTML links if you put them below the flash file, but as your "new" homepage with a flash intro won't have any TEXT content on it I don't suspect it's a good idea.
    alright guys thanks, I've decided not to use one.
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    its a shame that theres so much anti-flash bias driving the thread here. doing a flash intro should not affect your sites rank in the serps. you just need to understand how to deal with it. just think in terms of what happens when a bot visits and what happens when you get a regular visitor hit. a bot cant 'see' the content of an image but it hasnt stopped the use of images on the net.
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    Well you're right, using flash the way most people use images would be good - unfortunately nobody does that. IOW if people made lots of tiny flash buttons like we meticulously make tons of tiny .GIF buttons, SEO would be the same.

    But people that decide to create an entire PAGE that is one huge flash movie, i.e. a "splash screen" as was popular 7-8 years ago, THEN you have a problem with SEO, for that page at least.

    Also keep in mind that it's really only that PAGE that's affected, not the entire site, so one single page with a Flash movie isn't a big deal. But if your goal is massive traffic, there are better ways to spend your time.
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    I would say stear clear of flash.
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    matrix28...
    its blanket statements like that that i find offensive and close-minded and dangerous to web design.

    qualifying is in order with such a statement.
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    But people that decide to create an entire PAGE that is one huge flash movie, i.e. a "splash screen" as was popular 7-8 years ago
    Flash was around back then????? Could have fooled me.

    I like flash and use it alot but only when it needs to be used. Most Flash designed sites can be recreated using normal .gif's and HTML. Most SEOs hate Flash because they are SEOs. As I am a web designer, SEO and graphic designer I can see the many uses of products like Flash and enjoy them. It's like trying to convince a proprietary coder to understand opensource.

    Most sites want to make a creative impression to the user without having to be "SEO ready". Respectful and honest as the web isn't all about PageRank, SERPs, and monthly backlink updates.

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    No, but huge splash screens with no relevant content were popular.
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    VERY TRUE! sorry about the confusion. Nothing like waiting to load a 500 x 500 30 frame animated gif on a 28k modem. FUN FUN *pulls out gun*

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    first of all...
    8 years ago...flash did not exist.
    flash version 1.0 was only released in 1996. [7 years ago]
    so i doubt if huge spash screens were popular at that time.
    obviously manga and matrix are anti-flash bias.
    so its not even worth debating.

    but i could say the same about using jpgs.
    for example...i recently came across a competitor site of one of my clients. they had no serp ranking whatsoever. one look at their site made the reason obvious. the whole index page was built out of jpgs. all links were jpgs of text or icons. there was literally no text on the page. so in this instance the evil doer was the jpg...not flash...but the real point is that anything can become a loaded gun in the wrong hands.

    theres a term matrix and ***** might want to check out.
    its called 'multimedia'
    it happens to be something that is considered to enhance ones experience of the internet. you know...fun...and stuff like that.
    or should we all plunge the internet back into its dark ages and make all text sites? i think not.
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