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Old July 1st, 2008, 04:49 AM
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Early Linking

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I've been reading bits about linking and I have just started a new site, is there any risk with building links to early for a new domain?

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Old July 1st, 2008, 05:09 AM
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What do you mean saying early linking? You can do it immediately! The faster the better!

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Old July 1st, 2008, 05:21 AM
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I was concerned because its a new domain, I'd read about the sandbox theory and didnt want the site to look spammy with to many incomingl links too soon.

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I was concerned because its a new domain, I'd read about the sandbox theory and didnt want the site to look spammy with to many incomingl links too soon.


I have a theory about this...

Google are trying to stop paid links and worthless non natural link building.

I think what they are implementing or already have is a traffic / links algo. What i mean is they can see the traffic of your website via the google tool bar etc. If then you are getting 5 visits a day and you are getting 10 links a day, this just isnt natural and so google will not give them any weight.

The sandbox theory IMO is out of the door and its more the fact that the links you are getting are not being valued and so would mean that the website would seem to the webmaster to be in the sandbox.
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I was concerned because its a new domain, I'd read about the sandbox theory and didnt want the site to look spammy with to many incomingl links too soon.
The sandbox was never about "too many links too soon", nor was it a site penalty. It was a filter (ie: applied to specific search results, not just to specific sites).

If it were a "penalty" then sandboxed sites would have dropped for all search results, whereas they actually only dropped for specific (competitive) ones.

There is no reason why adding links quickly would cause you a problem so long as the links look natural and are from relevant sources.

What I mean by "look natural" is that the anchors are varied and the links don't all come from a small bunch of IP addresses.

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I have a theory about this...
Google are trying to stop paid links and worthless non natural link building.

I think what they are implementing or already have is a traffic / links algo. What i mean is they can see the traffic of your website via the google tool bar etc. If then you are getting 5 visits a day and you are getting 10 links a day, this just isnt natural and so google will not give them any weight.
I could find a new currency converter site which I love and add it to my 300 shopping sites in place of the one(s) I currently use... Why would those links be "unnatural"?

The main problem is that - unless you use Google analytics, they have no way of knowing how many thousand hits you had from people without the Google toolbar!

Whatever they are doing, I can't see why they would choose to devalue links which they perceive as being added too fast; they've said in the past that they won't/don't penalise for that.

Google cannot stop link building, nor can they judge whether it's worth your while to add links to unrelated sites; they just have to decide whether to "count" those links as "votes".
They have said that (known) paid links will be "devalued" and that they are trying to discount irrelevant or unnatural links but I wonder if - apart from paid links - they actually have "hard and fast rules" for certain types of links/situations or if they are more focussing on overall "link profiles" and "trust levels"!
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I could find a new currency converter site which I love and add it to my 300 shopping sites in place of the one(s) I currently use... Why would those links be "unnatural"?


You truely believe that all 300 links will get their complete value straight away or given any at all? If these were got in their first day live and google see that on their first day the website only got 5 visists. would you consider something to be wrong?

Im speculating of course...

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Whatever they are doing, I can't see why they would choose to devalue links which they perceive as being added too fast; they've said in the past that they won't/don't penalise for that.


Never mentioned penalizing i was refering to devaluing links. Perhaps if these 300 links were not the only ones and a steady flow of links were added they could consider pushing it to the top of the rankings quickly to see the bounce rate for the term. if its high they could quite fairly come to the conclusion that this site must not be relevant to this term (new websites jump?).

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Google cannot stop link building, nor can they judge whether it's worth your while to add links to unrelated sites; they just have to decide whether to "count" those links as "votes".


Now that i can sign...
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Pacific Monk agrees: I like the part about Google pushing your page to the top to check the bounce rate. Interesting.

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Hi everyone

I've been reading bits about linking and I have just started a new site, is there any risk with building links to early for a new domain?

Cheers
I frankly don't think there's any risk to building links "too early" and I agree with ClickyB on that (although semonkeymanocp's got some interesting theories there ). If you have the resources to build a lot of links, I think you should consider building them over time instead of just all of a sudden. It's always good to have a more natural looking link profile, you know.

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