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    Josh,

    Do you know what your talking about?

    All you have really said is that once the competition gets real links, you will be gone like the wind. How do you know that i don't agree with that?

    What kind of explanation is that?

    The site is still ranking number 1 from these links which proves directory links are not worthless.

    If you don't know how to reply, then don't because it's not appreciated.

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    Originally Posted by joshz
    Dude is your name brickwall? That's who I feel like I'm talking to.

    yes, I see the competition, but the fact is those sites have done little to NOTHING to SEO their site, so sure, in this case you get some blog links OFCOURSE it will go up, there are no other sites with decent links competing. But WHAT WE ARE ALL TRYING TO SAY IS:


    THESE LINKS ARE WORTHLESS, ONCE YOUR COMPETITION GETS REAL LINKS, YOUR SITE WILL BE GONE WITH THE WIND! GUESS WHAT, AS SOON AS THOSE BLOGS UPDATE THEIR CONTENT OR YOUR LINK ROLLS OFF THEIR PAGES YOU'RE GONE.

    That site has links from some blogs and other crap, with no other sites doing SEO ofcourse the site will rank high. Let me take on a client in the same niche, give it 3 months and watch that site drop down in SERPs. Point blank. I'm done replying, if you have any futher questions, direct them to the complaint department, they are accessible by hitting the keys "ctrl" + "F4" thank you, good day.
    well that is a way to explain things clearly, but i think there is a bit of confusion

    you say "directory links are worthless" but they've got someone to no.1 for the term "builders london"; this clearly shows that they are not worthless

    i agree directory links are of low value, but not worthless

    WizBit, think of it like this:

    you won't defeat an army (your competition) with 30 midgets (directory links). have a million midgets and you might defeat a small army. have a few tanks (quality relevant links) and this just might give you the edge

    stupid analogy i know, but felt it did kind of explain it
    Last edited by kilburn2000; Mar 15th, 2011 at 11:39 AM.
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    Originally Posted by kilburn2000
    well that is a way to explain things clearly, but i think there is a bit of confusion

    you say "directory links are worthless" but they've got someone to no.1 for the term "builders london"; this clearly shows that they are not worthless

    i agree directory links are of low value, but not worthless

    WizBit, think of it like this:

    you won't defeat an army (your competition) with 30 midgets (directory links). have a million midgets and you might defeat a small army. have a few tanks (quality relevant links) and this just might give you the edge

    stupid analogy i know, but felt it did kind of explain it
    Good reply but what makes them low value? because they get pushed down deep into the directories archive? because they are easily copied by the competition?

    You say they are all low value, really? I think people talk bs here. Directory links do not all have the same value.
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    So going back to the beginning of this thread - and to sum this up so people don't have to go through post after post of personal attacks and flame wars, is this what people are saying here? (Feel free to correct me, I'm trying to be objective here)

    Question: Are directory links worth anything?
    Answer: Yes, directory links are worth something. But that "something" for spammy, general directories is usually very, very little, especially because that value is so incredibly easy to displace. You also need to weigh this small value against the very real potential for that link being discounted entirely, which would then be a waste of your time in submitting.

    There are niche directories with links that are quite valuable.
    There are also directories like DMOZ where a link can be very valuable. But in the case of most directories, one can argue the value is so small that in competitive niches it might be negligible.

    Question: Can a site rank on directory listings and blog commenting alone?
    Answer: Yes - but not in a competitive niche, and not if anyone else in that niche knows what they're doing with SEO. Sure, it's possible - and we can see that in uncompetitive niches or niches where the competition is not doing a very good SEO job or using similar tactics as your own. But in a competitive niche, not a chance.

    Question: Are directory submissions/blog commenting viable long-term link building strategies?
    Answer: No. While you might see some value from these types of actions, as noted, that value is very small and easily displaced. These functions should be - if anything - one tiny part of your link building strategy. Their are better investments of your time.

    Plus, they can be mimicked by competition. And one's got to wonder, if Google targeted content farms, it's possible that general/spammy directories would be next on their list.

    Question: Should I pay $5 for a link from a directory?
    Answer: If $5 is your definition of very, very little and you don't care that the link will probably be worthless at some point in the future, then go wild. There are probably better investments, even of $5. But as with all links, you should analyze whether that linking opportunity will pass real value or traffic.

    If the directory is in a niche, is human-edited and has substantial value for either generating traffic or SEO, it will likely cost more than $5. At that point you will need to be very analytical in deciding whether you think you should be coughing up the cash.

    Question: Should you annoy Joshz?
    Answer:No, he can get quite snarky. But he means well.

    Question: Did pretty much everyone in this thread overreact a bit? At the end of the day, is this just SEO, a wonderful field full of discovery and experimentation, questions and answers, confusion and clarity?
    Answer: Shut up ElectricPrez, you white-knighting hippy.

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    Originally Posted by WizBit
    Good reply but what makes them low value? because they get pushed down deep into the directories archive? because they are easily copied by the competition?

    You say they are all low value, really? I think people talk bs here. Directory links do not all have the same value.
    Almost all links you can go out and get yourself are of little value. This is why I suggested you read the stickies: You have to know what makes a good link and why before you can comment on its quality.

    Do you understand WHY Google uses IBLs as a measure of quality? Because if someone links to you they are vouching for your site. They are giving you a vote of confidence. If you could gain value by placing a gazzillion links yourself, Google's algorithm goes out the window!

    Web sites are like people, judged by the company they keep.

    Lets say you need a good drug rehab clinic. If you ask the Mayor of the town for a recommendation, in theory it's probably a pretty good place to dry out. However if you ask your drunken homeless friend who routinely takes $5.00 for giving recommendations the same question... who the hell knows what he will say?

    Does that make sense?

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    Originally Posted by kilburn2000
    well that is a way to explain things clearly, but i think there is a bit of confusion

    you say "directory links are worthless" but they've got someone to no.1 for the term "builders london"; this clearly shows that they are not worthless

    i agree directory links are of low value, but not worthless

    WizBit, think of it like this:

    you won't defeat an army (your competition) with 30 midgets (directory links). have a million midgets and you might defeat a small army. have a few tanks (quality relevant links) and this just might give you the edge

    stupid analogy i know, but felt it did kind of explain it
    Yeah, you have good points. But just because a directory listing HELPED THIS ONE CASE, doesn't NOT MEAN we should give the impression that a directory link is a magic bullet. It just by CHANCE and crappy competition with horrible SEO worked. Now, for a competition of something like "Boston HVAC repair", no chance in hell.

    Wiz is doing this crap on purpose, trying to get my blood pressure to rise. If he is so sure of it, then there was no real need to even form this thread and question it, yeah?
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    Originally Posted by WizBit
    Good reply but what makes them low value? because they get pushed down deep into the directories archive? because they are easily copied by the competition?

    You say they are all low value, really? I think people talk bs here. Directory links do not all have the same value.
    Why don't you PM me and I'll show you sites I've 1st paged with competition over 22MILLION.

    Give me a break dude. Your (or site in question) WILL ONLY STAY ON TOP WITH DIRECTORIES UNTIL ANOTHER SITE DOES REAL SEO AND REAL VALUABLE LINKS, THEN THE SITE WILL BOMB DOWN IN SERPS.

    I know exactly what I'm talking about and I rarely say that because I hate being seen as cocky.

    It's like you weigh 500lbs, and you diet, but your diet simply includes not eating 10 meals a day, but 8... Will you lose weight? Ofcourse, is the the best and most healthy way to lose weight? NO. Will you lose as much weight as you would by exercising and using a proper diet? NO.

    That's that site, there is nothing else better than it, so ofcourse it will rank high. Give me 10 other sites in that niche, and 5 quality links to each of them and watch the site in question vanish to page 2.
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    Wow, over 500 views and 36 replies on a thread about directory links.

    By the looks of it I have frustrated kernalpanic and joshz, and for that I apologize.

    I’m off to submit my site to Joshz’s directory list now.. j/k

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    Originally Posted by WizBit
    Wow, over 500 views and 36 replies on a thread about directory links.

    By the looks of it I have frustrated kernalpanic and joshz, and for that I apologize.

    I’m off to submit my site to Joshz’s directory list now.. j/k
    It's all good buddy. My posts are almost always aimed at the lurkers anyways so don't take it personally!

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    Originally Posted by WizBit
    Still not convinced.

    Builderstown.co.uk ranking number 1 for “builders London” from directory links and blog comments.

    Allintitle:”London builders” 31,300 competing pages.

    Is there any decent links that makes this site rank number 1? Show me because I can’t find any.
    Two reasons why they are ranking:

    1) Uncompetitive market.

    2) They have more than directory links. Many others, but most I saw were love level tactics.

    Which means you should be able to exceed them in the SERPs with a carefully thought out strategy that seeks to build better quality links through value added content to the industry.
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    This was the most entertaining thread of the day. To the OP, you should be a little more grateful someone even took the time to reply and offer help. And after the intial reply, to say you disagree and say you are a better SEO? If, so, then why are you asking?

    I actually looked at the profile of that site that 'claims' to have only directory links and blog comments. Did anyone else? Full of articles, video, squidoo, and other stuff. I never saw ONE directory link in the 300 links I looked at. So, the builders.co.uk site has way more going for it than directory links and blog comments.

    I value 2 directories only. The rest, not worth anything. Before I knew what I know. I wasted hours, if not days, building directory links. Ask me how much traffic, and referrals I got? NOTHING. So, you want my opinion? Don't waste a minute on it. If you disagree, then there was a nice list for you to get started on on the 2nd page of the thread.

    Show a little more gratitiude next time.
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    Originally Posted by theseoguys
    I value 2 directories only. The rest, not worth anything.
    Just for poop and giggles, do you mind sharing which two those are?
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    dir.yahoo...Google loves that link, and, love it or hate it, Dmoz. Google puts a high value on that too.
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    Originally Posted by theseoguys
    This was the most entertaining thread of the day. To the OP, you should be a little more grateful someone even took the time to reply and offer help. And after the intial reply, to say you disagree and say you are a better SEO? If, so, then why are you asking?

    I actually looked at the profile of that site that 'claims' to have only directory links and blog comments. Did anyone else? Full of articles, video, squidoo, and other stuff. I never saw ONE directory link in the 300 links I looked at. So, the builders.co.uk site has way more going for it than directory links and blog comments.

    I value 2 directories only. The rest, not worth anything. Before I knew what I know. I wasted hours, if not days, building directory links. Ask me how much traffic, and referrals I got? NOTHING. So, you want my opinion? Don't waste a minute on it. If you disagree, then there was a nice list for you to get started on on the 2nd page of the thread.

    Show a little more gratitiude next time.
    The site i was refering to was www.builderstown.co.uk and they are ranked number 1 for "builders London"

    Here are the top links according to open site explorer:

    http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2008/07/this-is-your-brain-this-is-your-brain-on-the-internetthe-nick-carr-thesis/
    http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2009/05/how-to-do-a-day-trip-to-versailles-from-paris/
    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-special-offers-forum/83987-free-warrior-special-offer-few-simple-principles-can-make-you-400-000-more-per-year.html
    http://www.warriorforum.com/warriors-hire/13548-outsource-outsourcing-personal-virtual-assistant-writer-ebook-article-press-release-private-label-rights-ghostwriting.html
    http://www.777media.com/Home/Home_Improvementpage-3.html
    http://www.777media.com/Home/Home_Improvement/page-3.html
    http://rhizome.org/profile.php?1062247
    http://rhizome.org/profile.php?1062247
    http://www.dir-submission.com/Home/Home_Improvement/?p=3
    http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/member/8508/
    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-special-offers-forum/76055-attention-angela-edward-pj-steve-aylor-fans-automate-95-their-blogroll-sites.html
    http://www.freewebsitedirectory.com/Home-Garden/Home-Improvement/page-3.html
    http://www.destynova.net/Games___Video_Games/Casino/
    http://www.prolinkdirectory.com/more/bathroom
    http://www.linkdirectory.com.ar/Business/Construction/?p=32
    http://www.skypemedia.com/Home/Home_Improvement/?p=2
    http://www.prolinkdirectory.com/more/plumbing
    http://www.businessdir.net/index.php?s=A&q=ro
    http://www.businessdir.net/index.php?s=H&q=ro
    http://www.prolinkdirectory.com/more/flooring
    http://www.prolinkdirectory.com/more/painting
    http://www.v7n.com/forums/social-network-marketing/138473-digg-exchange.html
    http://www.prolinkdirectory.com/more/installation
    http://community2.myfoxaustin.com/service/displayKickPlace.kickAction?u=10815277&as=82263&b=
    http://zopso.com/index.php?c=140&p=1
    http://www.prolinkdirectory.com/more/builders
    http://www.prolinkdirectory.com/detail/link-1379.html
    http://www.lavaseek.com/Home___Family/Home_Improvement/page-2.html
    http://www.wwwi.co.uk/business_and_economy/trade/
    http://www.freeweblinkdirectory.info/House___Garden/Home_Improvement/?p=4
    http://www.tr2010.net/index.php?p=h
    http://www.submit-url.org/Shopping/Home_Garden/page-9.html
    http://www.blfree.com/home/home-improvement/london-builders-l45.html
    http://www.prolinkdirectory.com/more/bathroom?s=A
    http://www.prolinkdirectory.com/more/bathroom?s=H
    http://www.prolinkdirectory.com/House___Garden/Home_Improvement/page-4.html
    http://www.businessdir.net/Home___Garden/?p=2
    http://directory.askbee.net/news_and_media/home_and_garden/page-4.html
    http://www.backlinkpower.com.ar/Home___Family/Home_Improvement/?p=6
    http://www.directorybin.com/Home/Decorating/?p=10
    http://www.blpdirectory.info/Business/Home_Improvement/?p=4
    http://www.suggesturls.org/index.php?list=top
    http://www.businessdir.net/Home___Garden/?s=A
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    Originally Posted by theseoguys
    dir.yahoo...Google loves that link, and, love it or hate it, Dmoz. Google puts a high value on that too.
    I wouldn't even bother with those two. Google might have loved them at one stage, but do they still? I doubt it.

    As for the question: Do directory links have value? Yes, every link has some value however little that might be. In my opinion dir links are low quality and not worth paying for.

    Your competitors may be using them to get better SERPs so maybe you should to but I wouldn't make that my only strategy as it doesn't seem very sound.
    oops! I think I got that wrong! Sorry

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