Page 7 - Buying a new domain with PR2 to link out to company sites

This has nothing to with CNR at all, and I don't intend to discuss CNR in any public forum ever, bygones be bygones.



Quite right, it isn't.

Your point is "no proof isn't proof"... right?

Obviously I agree... without proving something valid you are best not to engage in it repeatedly unless you plan to prove it is valid.

So I choose to not engage there because:

PR3 links... because I can't prove consistently they are valid and pass link juice.

PR2 links... because I can't prove consistently they are valid and pass link juice.

PR1 links... because I can't prove consistently they are valid and pass link juice.

PR0 links... because I can't prove consistently they are valid and pass link juice.

If you have some type of commercial offer that sits at PR3 or below... I would think you would go out of your way to prove your offerings are 100% valid 100% of time.

I couldn't see a consistent value... so I don't offer it... and as I understand... you are so confident you can easily show there is validity there that you don't need to show evidence of it for no better reason than I can't.

Superb position.

That's fine, if you can't prove it either way then you can't and you've made your mind up.

I have used a number of linking services, such as 10 links a day from Fantomaster http://www.10linksaday.net/ , which use some really low PR and high volume posting blogs, and I wasn't expecting much, but the test campaigns I ran worked.. PR and anchor text passed.

Sure they aren't the worlds best links, but in terms of cost the ROI was fantastic.

Sure and in the interests of full disclosure I do have a service that provides something similar but as it's in my sig it's not a big secret! And I've used my own service to pass PR and anchor text, so I'm very happy with it. Also as it's a one off purchase and not a rental the ROI is pretty incredible.

Would I rather buy a PR3 link than rent a PR4, of course, as I can buy many many PR3's for the price of renting that one PR4 ad-infinitum. That's where the ROI comes.

But regardless, I am not in this discussion because of any service I offer, if only PR4's passed value then i'd change my service. The reason I'm in this discussion is because I think you are mistaken in your theory.

Thanks Rod!

ROI?

The problem with your buying outright, more common called "permanent links" the passing of link juice is never permanent.

It's a con job.

It's not a con job, we clearly state what we do and don't provide, everyone who's used the service has been more than happy, and we make no promises that we can't fulfill, they get what they want at a one off price that is more than fair otherwise they wouldn't use it.

Say you rent a link for $50 a month for 2 years which costs you $1200 for that one link, after 2 years you drop the rental as the PR's dropped... it's cost you $1200 for that one link and when it's dropped then it is totally worthless as it doesn't exist anymore.

If you buy a similar link for $39 then in 2 years time if the PR's dropped then well the PR's dropped, but you've saved $1161 and you've still got an active link.

Say you have a $1000 a month linkbuilding budget.. for rentals you get yourself 20 links at $50 a link each... and it costs you $24,000 over two years to keep those links, and you can't afford to build more.

If you've bought them you could buy 615 links over the two years for the same cost... and after two years stop spending money and you've still got links..

hmmm... which way would I say is a con?!

Fathom's point is that Google detects paid links eventually and discounts them. So there are no permanent links.

Rod sells links too, and I think he's on record that Google's pretty crap at detecting paid links if done well (which I'd agree with).

He's saying that in most cases PR drops on many domains given enough time, and that's true.

So what you have to look at is the lifetime cost of any link and what return you'll get on it.

Rentals are very poor lifetime return compared to purchase, as demonstrated above.

Its good advice. You have to deal with the advice objectively. His behaviour is totally irrelevant, your letting your personal feelings affect your objectivity.

If it was good advice I wouldn't have questioned it, Rod gives out plenty of good advice on here much of the time, but like the rest of us he isn't immune from sometimes getting it wrong. There is nothing personal from me in this thread at all.

We're so far off topic now but



So you're offering permanent links for how long? How long has everyone been happy?

Has their permanency got past even 1 PR update?

I realize you make no promises ... you pick up an expired domain... a domain that will always drop in value because it isn't worth anything to build links to itself it has borrowed links (links not meant for your website) links that will always disappear... and that is the permanency you offer.



I would think guaranteed link juice is worth more than guaranteed loss of link juice.

In addition, if you bought a link every month that is $39 once only fee and that is 1 link of guaranteed loss of link juice.



Why did anyone buy a link in the first place?

Did they buy it to merely have an active link?



Out of the 615 how many do anything?

For how long?

Not promising anything does make a offer more valid.

If you buy 50 link this month and in 3 months they are all worthless for link juice... don't you need to replace them to continuing getting any return whatsoever?

I read somewhere a domain with no links doesn't offer any link juice ... is this true?

So in 2 years don't you mean you need to buy say 615 + 50 links (every 3 months to replace) so x 15 times over or about 1300 links for about $50,000 just to manage the results you have and you can never stop replacing them... because the permanency in the link isn't the juice.

I guess if everyone is happy with that... that is the better bet.

So one sells a link for x amount as "permanent" and one rents a link at x amount..

the one who rents simply has to replace the link himself when the original rental loses juice and the one who sells permanent links leaves the burden of replacement on the customer.

Its all the same... and just as irrelevant to this conversation. this is turning into an arm-wresting match and not of added value. Lets keep it valuable to the community!

If you two want to continue this part of the conversation please consider taking it offline

Well said Googler!

As I was reading the thread I couldn't help but think: I don't have a single client that pays for links, in every case (and I have a lot of clients) they pay for ranks and visibility.

I've been offering links for 11 years.

...there are no such thing as good permanent links... because permanency isn't build on managing the link quality... the link quality is assumed... the permanency is based on I'll leave the link up even if it is permanently dead.

You mean you actually work for free?

OR

You mean you don't offer any organic services?

While I often disagree with Channel5 & lewisdb at least they are being honest.