Page 8 - Beat "domain name" equal to "search term"

IMO. One big problem with choosing a domain name for a very competitive keyword is that it is already taken or if not, it is very expensive because someone already bought it and will sell it to you for 10x the price.

so I'm browsing the forum and i see somebody politely call you a gadfly..not knowing what a gadfly is I search google, lo and behold what do I find in 993,000 results? behind wiki and webster is... www.gadfly.org hehe...i know it must be b/c of the strong backlinks
http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/search?p=http%3A%2F%2Fgadfly.org&fr=sfp&bwm=i
or maybe it's that pr5 from God knows where....

I bet it has a link from the Pope's site

Have a look at the links here http://tinyurl.com/kulq8g

Number 1 and 2 on Google.co.uk on for

Blackpool carpenter

Blackpool carpenters

Blackpool

carpenters Blackpool

The webmaster here rents these sites out there are all linked together all built on free website hosting and on free website templates and all ranking well for the KID ?

The above domain only went live in may i believe

Any thoughts?

Is it the links between the sites that make the sites rank?

Is it the KID?

Surley this is black hat linking them together?

I have seen a lot of this in the UK and what I have noticed if the site even when owned by the same person link together, if they site they have a town like say SCOTLAND along with KID when linked together Google seems to see a relevance I have tracked a few networks of site for over a year and they have gone from strength to strength.

Also when searching for "carpentry company" the web google.co.uk the webmaster gets 4 sites listed on page 2 and 4 sites listed on page 3 this is for the below amount of results


11,000,000 for carpentry company. (0.23 seconds)

Everyone who is listing a bunch of sites that rank well for a KID are missing the point entirely.

Unless you carry out some in depth competitive analysis and share that information then your list is just that, a list!!

Lets face it without this you are just guessing as to what exactly is driving rank.

Good example, however if you do the same search with google.co.uk, then:

www [dot] maltaairporttransfers [dot] co [dot] uk

Doesn't appear in the top 100 results, proving that the other website has something it doesn't. The best domain names also tend to be the oldest, have <h1> titles, metatag titles and/or links that also use these exact words, etc. so I think that's one reason why they come up so high. (I also find Yahoo worse than Google for this scenario).

Create a fully optimised page on your other site and generate some links to it with the KW you're after, plus a couple of links to the home page with the same KWs (with some slight variance, e.g. Malta airport transfers, Transfers to Malta airport, Malta airport taxi service, etc.)

Hi lewisdb,

I was asking the below questions in my post i was not trying to say the above at all.......

Is it the links between the sites that make the sites rank?

Is it the KID?

Surely this is black hat linking them together?


What are your thoughts on the above 3 questions lewisdb?

Not being a seo or not being someone who has tested the above i dont no the answers.....

But this list of sites only link to each other most of them are only a few months old have low pane rank (so the links between sites cant mean that much?) so is there a relavance payed to site linking to each other from different towns in the same country?

Might google see the out going links being relavent and also the incoming links being relavent?

For example if your a carpenter in blackpool and someone comes to your site but you dont work in there area but you have links taking them to carpenters in there area that got to be helping the end user which Google is all for?

1. when did wkipedia become a KID for gadfly?

2. if KID is so great why isn't the top 50 spots completely fill with dot.com, dot.net, dot.org, dot.de, etc.?

No one said a KID can't rank... in the end though the content of the gadfly domain is what powered your search (and find), the content of wikipedia powered it to beat your supposition and merriam-webster.com and sourceforge.net... and it seems if your content to ignore these domains ... what didn't your example prove?

YES a KID can rank just like any other domain name can - so you don't need it... isn't that what you meant to say?

even google say that keywords in your url will help them to find your pages faster and know what they are about a bit better but... G do NOT say you must have your keywords in the domain name so why not just use www.yourdomain.com/your-keyword (G have never said this is a must or that you will not rank higher if you do not do this, it is just a suggestion that by doing this the google-bot and others will find you url fast)

So I wouldnt worry about your domain too much just use your leywords in the url or each page as that should help your seo

Do we really need 8 pages of sexism and vicious name calling to discuss the claim that:

"all things being equal, KID will win"? Of course it will. <- period

I shudder to think that a business owner that is doing research in anticipation of hiring an SEO firm happens across this thread.

Moderators?

How about the top posters here that are guilty of such nonsence clean it up a bit and set an example for the rest of us who are here to learn?

one of my UK client ranking well on targeted keywords always top with many of keywords we never worried about their domain name becasue this is also very high competitive keyword but now we are 3rd with their domain name just becasue of we always thought if you get links for other targeted keywords we will automatically will on top with this keywords but we lost our ranking becasue our competitors getting links with our domain name which really high competitive keywords, So now we also start link building and using this keywords in our anchor tag.

What?????

The best way to learn is to debate, if you don't like the tone of the thread then you don't have to read it!

I love a good debate brother. However, those that have to resort to name calling and other neandrathalic methods are not debating, they are merely screaming "I'm right" louder than the others. Not much learning going on there.

As I inferred, my concern is not with me reading it, it's with a business professional gathering research in anticipation of hiring an SEO firm. My apologies if my point was not stated satisfactorily.



This forum is far and away the best source of knowledge for SEO (besides personal experience of course), thus I will continue to read it, thank you. I just hate to see it cheapened by sophomoric diatribe as I'm sure others do, who take pride in calling themselves SEO Professionals.

It's all light hearted and no offense is meant, a lot of people spend a lot of time on this forum helping others and the odd heated debate keeps things interesting

1) when did i ever imply such a thing??? Never

2) Oh, it was the content, sure it was....a made for marketing site with only 2 occurrences of the term on the entire site that I can see......excluding the domain name....

face it, in your "point system" having a KID is like 2 points...and then as many bonus points as you have links...and more so in a natural linking environment whereby the users do not place anchor text....but use the kid...interestingly enough yahoo claimed 1, yes ONE back link.

so that only leaves a pr5....which according to you will not help rank. there is one and only one explanation.... excluding page rank.....KID.