Page 4 - Beat "domain name" equal to "search term"

singapore-property.org is only a month old, it's not going to rank anywhere until it gets some age and some backlinks.

All of the dressingtable domains are sponsored listing landing pages (like a Sedo holding page). They are not going to rank.

Janie x

Along with the previous replies by 1fast72nova and The Leader, I agree that my observation is skewed.

I will try to do a better research and post the results back here.

I am out to end some of the disagreements in this thread...

Let's start by assuming that a keyword domain gives you an amazing advantage of 50%. Don't you think that is a generous amount? Probably waaaaaaaaayyy too high?

Can you agree with that?

You own that KW domain and work on your site one workday per week... I spend every day working on the site and have a smart employee helping me.

So you had a 50% advantage with the domain but I am shoveling fuel into my site at 1000% the rate that you are. Who will win?

Let's also assume that I am a better writer than you are... amazing advantage I think you will agree. Visitors read your writing and are bored at the second paragraph. They read mine and salivate by the second sentence.

My assistant is an expert photographer. And he places one of his vibrantly stunning photos above the fold on each page. Five more photos almost as good appear in the right column. He finds great related resources and links out to them making our article a hub of great information.

Your assistant is out for a smoke one third of the time and texting with his girlfriends the rest of the time. You were too cheap to buy him a good camera and too cheap to pay for the bandwidth needed by a couple of crappy photos. Maybe good photos have never occurred to you or that you would be shocked to learn that $100 can be spent on the labor and props needed for a good photo.

I could list much more but will let you imagine.

I believe that KW domains are powerful. Maybe the search engines grace them a little more than other domains. But even in the brick and mortar world some addresses command better prices.

But forgetting all that I said above the most important advantage of a KW domain can be *MENTAL*. The webmaster becomes "The Man" for his topic. If I owned Baloney.com I would become a baloney expert. I would eat baloney at every meal and I would build the best Baloney site that you have ever seen. And every person who used the word "baloney" in a blog post might link it to my site. So in the eye of the public I have credibility even if undeserved.

All of that is Mental.

So, go get your KW domains. Pay whatever is needed. And, decide to do the work needed to win.

You are right Egol. 100% right. 1000% right even!!

BUT, I can prove to you the advantage of having a keyword domain.

pager numbers .com

I hand registered this 6 days ago (check the date on the whois). Built a naff site 3 days ago, copied content, no quality at all. Very few links (it's 3 days old, I've not had time to build links!).

The phrase gets 110 searches a month (check estibot) so it is a weak phrase but not weak enough to ignore if you want daily adsense earnings.

It ranks at number 2 today out of 470 million results. Check it now. (This page will probably beat it in half an hour lol!).

The same with condom gifts .com and at least 50 others that I own.

In my experience I can get them to rank in a few days, they drop after a fortnight but I can get them ranking again within a few months and keep them there. Easy adsense money for very little effort.

Again Egol, you are right, quality will outperform EVERY time, but Keyword Domains do make a difference, it may be very small but it is there.

Janie x

Just to confuse everyone some more:

I think (not necessarily true) that a keyword domain give you a significant advantage (maybe 20% (who knows)) for a site that is lower than PR3 and that advantage is reduced as a site gets higher than PR3!

For the newbie whose website will probably never get higher than pr3 would be advantaged by using a keyword domain.

Now please be kind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But what are you basing this on?

My experience with my own domains!

The original poster is venting frustration but his claim is baseless. You can beat a type in domain with branding.

Go to Google and type in "Car Rental"

CarRental.com is not on the first page. Who is?

Enterprise, Avid, Budget, Orbitz... see the trend? BRANDS!

Having a type in domain is great. And you can buy them, but they are spendy. But the way you beat them is with BRAND and Quality. And yes... CONTENT.

those are brands that had multi millions (billions?) to conquer the SERP's in an area that is huge, huge with competition and huge with rewards. Consider what orbitz spends a day in advertising....
Of course there are exceptions the KIDs, but again, all else equal the KID will win, hands down...all else equal.

and for the record, on my data center the first site that shows besides the "big names" (ie full corporate...and even stand a chance with a gov't bailout) is...carrentals.com

this "arguement" is pointless. Its like saying that a dog with longer legs will always be much faster then a dog with shorter legs. SURE if the dog with longer legs is well fed and taken care off it will win 100% of the time as just that presents a natural advantage (and not 15 years old blind and deaf). Now lets not get into calculateing what need the ratios be of mass v length of each dog to come to a conclusion when the dog with the shorter legs be able to win...

why not? all these "high pr" seos on this board say KIDs are barely effective, but this is a fabrication. Simple deduction and experience tells us that.
So why would they say that? So they can get you to spend money to rank your non-kid...can they do it? sure. BUT if you can start with a KID they are not nearly as necessary, even moderate DIY seo can rank you for mild terms. or they are just living in the past where they could "google bowl" their way to success. like i stated in my first post in this thread, we are coming full circle so to speak.

This is not a fabrication. KID's do give you an advantage in some instances but there are reasons why some (me included) would advise that they are not the be all and end all. Advising people to blindly run around buying up every KID they can would be wrong.

First, If you are up against any sort of credible competition then your advantages will be significantly reduced. You will still have to develop great content, attract heavy weight links and ensure that your on page is just right. Having a KID is not a quick fire way to the top in competitive markets.

Second, this strategy has real restrictions. A KID will only give you an advantage for one term or phrase. If you are throwing up a site to make a few dollars with ad-sense then that's fine. Advising a client on the other hand that in order to compete for multiple terms they will need to build and develop multiple sites simply won't work and you would be laughed out of their office. A good solid SEO strategy will enable you to compete for many more terms and target much more traffic. A lot of people get caught up with being #1 for a specific term. Personally all I want is sales. Build a great site with great content and you will have literally hundreds of #1 rankings. How effective is your strategy now?

Finally, what are you going to do when all of the KID's have gone? Give up or find a smarter way to work!

Having a KID can help you rank for specific terms but the reason some don't get over exited by the idea isn't fabrication, there is no conspiracy. It's just that some recognize the limitations along with the benefits.

I think you have probably just hit the nail on the head with this sentence.

There are 'quality marketers', like yourself and Egol, and there are 'marketers' like TheLeader and myself. We're both after that elusive buck, you've decided to put your effort into one quality content website, I've decided to go for multiple keyword domains with less quality and less effort.

Who is right? We both are in our own way.

I think 1fast72nova summed it up perfectly... All things being equal the keyword domain will win... but things are never equal!

Kind regards
Janie x

SEO as it relates to organic results is about "quality scores"... and you can argue the merits of any one variable and you "aren't wrong" - yup OK it adds to your score.

But here's the rub... no one, I mean ABOLUTELY NO ONE links to a domain because of the domain name... you get links because of the website

So sure while you can have a KID, and can add a crappy website, and get a few crappy links and get results... what can't be debated... all anyone without a KID needs to do is have a slightly better website and they will all beat you because all you have are "crappy links" and an extra point for a KID they need to beat.... and if you have 10 crappy links - all they need is 20 crappy links... and you are off page 1.

Hogwash.

I can giver you an example from a question on here lastnight.

the OP on that thread wants to rank for vinyl banners.....

look at the results for that term...
on my G datacenter, on the first page is vinylbanners.com
IMO, a very crappy design but KID 100%, 61 YSE links, pr2

on page two is

buildasign.com
nice clean design, 8200 YSE inlinks, pr4

banner4sale.com, 927 YSE links, pr4


so then Fathom, explain yourself on this one. No random rubbish, specific examples or reasons for this. There is 1 and only 1 reason for this, domain name (and factors attributed to it).