Page 3 - Beat "domain name" equal to "search term"

KIDs mean a lot. Just do a search for online casino and see how many domains are KIDs in the top 10.

or let's just try something else, MP3 downloads....
Just as i suspected, only 2 in the top 10 without MP3 in the domain name and only one without it in the url in one form or another (but that lone soul have a very very similar term, music in the domain name).

Some people say it doesn't matter. Well all else equal it does, and a bunch. And why shouldn't it? If you were going to make a search engine how much weight do you put on the domain name alone? Personally, a lot. who would buy greenapples.com to sell pink grapefruit? raise your hand. Ok, who would buy pinkgrapefruit.com to sell pink grapefruit?

Why not rank by domain name only then? of course if I am going to make a search engine I would like to look at more than the domain name, on page is next. If I see that greenapples.com has a whole section with a large header about pink grapefruits I will probably rank them higher for the term pink grapefruit than organicgrapefruit.com if organicgrapefruit.com has no occurrence of the exact term on the page.

But what then about "cheaters" who keyword spam? Well here's the next step. I'm going to start looking for, you saw it a mile away, links to the site, what the anchor is and who it is from..

And the evolution of the search engine is found by simple deduction (side stepped was the "era" of meta searches).

BUT back to topic and our links pointing back to the site almost bring us full circle don't they? Why? B/c as people spread natural and organic links often the anchor IS the domain name and hence it IS the keyword in question!! SO.. if pinkgrapefruit.com has anything worth linking to..BAM.. they get another instant boost. and again, why should it be any other way?

So, as you do seo, design your own search engine in your head. and if you're lucky you might even find the next evolution in search.... tracking clients and their searches. But this can be a tricky one b/c if you don't give bobsproduce.com an chance to appear in the top 3 (my little engine only has 3 spots ;p) then users will never find his site nor be able to link to it. poor bob was a farmer and didn't know he needed a domain name with pink grapefruit in it, links pointing to his site with the proper anchor text or even text on the home page for that matter. He thought a picture of his "famous" pink grapefruit that won t=he state fair last 3 years in a row and his local reputation would be enough to go worldwide.
well then, bob has a tough battle on his hands.
Maybe we can help bob by giving him a "local" result above the "global" results and also maybe even "shuffle" the serps from time to time to give bob his one day at glory. Good luck Bob!

will sit back and wait for all the +++rep+++ to come rolling
-take care guys.

Domain name that match for your keyword is the best but if there is not avaliable, you can spin and change word position or add 's' suffix.

Hey lewis, i disagree here. One should not be 100% sure about anything in the SEO game. Keep urself open to new ideas

Look this is really quite simple, so I want you to answer one question for me.

Is it possible to rank for a term if it's not in your domain?

The answer is yes and I will be more than happy to provide you with hundreds or thousands of examples.

The answer to this question proves 100% that having a KID is not essential. If it were essential then ranking without one would by definition be impossible.

I am not saying having a KID doesn't help (go back and read the thread) because it "can", but it's definitely 100% not essential.

I think this is turning into a stupid discussion, you cannot debate that you can rank perfectly easily without a KID, your whole argument is therefore flawed.

<edit> definition of essential according to google "absolutely necessary"</edit>

Hello Sparky. I must admit that ur posts are entertaining, but most of the time are miles away from the realms of the subject being discussed.

He lewis I cant buy ur theory, because u have not worked in each and every industry (nor u will ever be able to) and therefore u r in no position to come up with some thing like absolute or 100%. I have often noticed, that you are very sure about many things just like KID. So again I suggest u to keep urself open to new ideas and be willing to change ur perspective about certain things. Rest is up 2 u

Himanshu, do you actually understand what is being said?

The term "essential as defined by the Oxford English dictionary is

"absolutely necessary; indispensable"

If something is essential then it cannot be done without.

If a KID was essential then Yahoo would not be able to rank for any other term than "Yahoo"

If a KID was essential then digg would not be able to rank for any other term than "digg"

Is this what you are honestly suggesting?

It matters not what industry you are in, a KID is not essential. I think maybe you are confused as to the meaning of the word?



Just to be sure I am 100% certain that I am correct. I will repeat what I said earlier. A KID helps, read the post and you will actually see that I have said this on more than one occasion.

Arguing that something is essential when there is indisputable evidence that contradicts you is absurd. Search any term you like and scroll down the serps and you will see many examples of site ranking for that term that don't have a KID.

If what you are saying is true then how can this be?

I am repeating myself I know but feel I must. If having a KID was "essential" than ranking for a term that was not in your domain would be 100% impossible and this is just not the case.


Example:
search google.co.uk for the term "potato" and you will see www.gardenaction.co.uk listed on the front page. How is this possible if what you say is true?

Instead of commenting on things like my attitude please answer my points.

just like to add my voice to the pot in which KID's help to rank better. Id agree they are not the 1 most important/only/essential thing that determines your rank, but I couldn't have helped but notice that in my market (i.e not UK/USA) sites with KIDs have been suddenly going a bit higher. In the last 1-2 months I found that for a specific very competative keyword 4 of the first 10 places are taken by such domans whilst earlier there were "only" 3 and spread out from places 1,3,5 and 9 or so. Plus 2 of the domains in the top 10 now has keyword.domain.xx.
Some thoughts to ponder reading what others say.
Thus I am thinking of going more
keyword.domain.xx/directorywithkeyword with the next webpages I create - just in "case".

u r right about the 'essential' meaning. However u should have been more explicit. Y didnt use the word 'indispensable' straightaway. u know its an international forum and people do stumble in English sometimes Moreover u cant afford to be a purist with non-native English speakers. I have every right to get away with the worst possible english

Boys, Boys, Boys!!!!

Two of my favourite boys arguing over the finer details, you are both smart cookies, you both know what you are talking about and if you read between the lines you are both actually saying the same thing!! The original 'mis-wording/careless-wording' and the following 'perfectionist in wording' led to this fracus.

No one is perfect, you both have greatly valued opinions, please put this to one side and neither of you post in this thread again.

You boys are not too old or big to be put over my knee you know

Janie x

Your right! But when you joined the thread you told me that you disagreed with my statement that "KID is not essential". That was my point the whole time. It helps but isn't essential

I would like to contribute a live example, take this domain as an example : www.singapore-property.org

This domain, without a doubt, is a KID

Now, when you do a search on Google for the following terms

singapore property (not within the top 1000 serp)
singapore-property (not within the top 1000serp)
singapore-property.or (not within the top 1000 serp)
singapore-property.o (not within the top 1000 serp)
singapore-property.org (first in serp)

the only way users to find the site is by keying in the exact domain name with the extensions in full.

On the other hand, the title tag is "Singapore Property Handbook"

When you do a search in Google, you will see

Singapore Property Handbook (4th position)
Singapore Property Handboo (5th position)
Singapore Property Handbo (6th position)
Singapore Property Handb (7th position)

With the above example, I strongly doubt the influence of a KID having on SERPs. It doesn't even match the influence of the most basic SERP factor, the Title Tag.

No offence to anybody, just my view point.

Good example but my view is a PR0 is unlikely to rank high for a 2 word keyword phrase that has millions of results and that is being compared to a three word keyword phrase which has less than a hundred.

Yes, I understand the domain in question has a PR 0. But the domain doesn't even show in the top 1000 results when I search for "www.singapore-property.or" , just short of a "g"

But it still gets rank for its title tag. This made me suspect the actual utility of a KID

I would like to give another example,

search for the term "dressing table". I went through the first 200 results, none of the results are KID.

But at the same time, I know there are at least 20 KID domians around with the keywords "dressing table" for example: www.dressingtable.com, www.dressing-table.com, www.dressingtable.org, www.dressingtable.info, and many more

My point is if KID is important, why none of the domains with the KID "dressing table" is ranked in the top 200 search results for "dressing table"

I suspect it took a while to find examples like that, and for an obscure search terms at that.

IF you search for any HIGHLY competitive 2 word term, let me
know the results please /\

also if you can give more than just examples, but an EXPLANATION as to why you think what you do it would be great. to me your observation without a theory is almost moot (esp since my observations are in direct contradiction and include a theory)

also, the singapore property, how many in the top 10 are KIDs as my observations says more are than aren't...