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Old July 1st, 2009, 12:01 AM
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Domain names with keywords are helpful... but if they are beating your butt they probably deserve the position above you. They were smart enough to get that domain, no?

So, suck it up and get to work on more high quality links. Buy their site if you are fired up about what they are doing.
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When a group start giving negative rep its just mob mentality like a group of hoods kicking into an old lady.
Personally I wouldn't ever ever ever give anyone negative rep for a contribution they made on an seo forum because alot of it is just subjective anyway!
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When a group start giving negative rep its just mob mentality like a group of hoods kicking into an old lady.
Personally I wouldn't ever ever ever give anyone negative rep for a contribution they made on an seo forum because alot of it is just subjective anyway!

You get negative rep for bad advice. Without that what do we have? another average forum. The reason that people use and value this forum is that bad advice is not tolerated.

If it's you giving the bad advice then suck it up and learn from the whole thing.

<edit>You got hit for saying that you definitely need a kid and that if you don't you need millions of $$$ to build a brand in order to rank. That's just plain bad advice. Would you prefer that no one pick you up on this and others knowing no better spend valuable time and money pursuing bad advice?

Time and money are in short supply in most industries and I for one can waste either.

What you have now said is that having a kid helps. That's quite different to essential.</edit>

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Old July 2nd, 2009, 08:31 PM
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You get negative rep for bad advice. Without that what do we have? another average forum. The reason that people use and value this forum is that bad advice is not tolerated.

If it's you giving the bad advice then suck it up and learn from the whole thing.

<edit>You got hit for saying that you definitely need a kid and that if you don't you need millions of $$$ to build a brand in order to rank. That's just plain bad advice. Would you prefer that no one pick you up on this and others knowing no better spend valuable time and money pursuing bad advice?

Time and money are in short supply in most industries and I for one can waste either.

What you have now said is that having a kid helps. That's quite different to essential.</edit>


You have 1601 posts and only a reputation of 90.
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Click the "Members" link at the top of the page and then sort by reputation. Let us know what you find.

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Click the "Members" link at the top of the page and then sort by reputation. Let us know what you find.


I did and I wonder why the advice from you guys is not being appreciated here!

I'll judge each post on it merits and start giving you guys some rep because you've obviously put alot of effort into this forum -you especially!

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Click the "Members" link at the top of the page and then sort by reputation. Let us know what you find.


It seems as though there's an old boy's club at work here. Cooperative ego stroking is needed by some, others don't give a rip.

I find that the posts to reputation ratio might tell a story too...

Some guys have 1 reputation point per 50 posts, where others have much better ratios...

Just sayin', if you throw enough spaghetti at a wall...

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You get negative rep for bad advice. Without that what do we have? another average forum. The reason that people use and value this forum is that bad advice is not tolerated.

If it's you giving the bad advice then suck it up and learn from the whole thing.

<edit>You got hit for saying that you definitely need a kid and that if you don't you need millions of $$$ to build a brand in order to rank. That's just plain bad advice. Would you prefer that no one pick you up on this and others knowing no better spend valuable time and money pursuing bad advice?

Time and money are in short supply in most industries and I for one can waste either.

What you have now said is that having a kid helps. That's quite different to essential.</edit>


I believe each situation requires a different solution. If a guy has a bunch of high PR link farms at his disposal, well he'd be stupid not to use them. However if if a guy doesn't, and has to work 2 weeks to get one damned backlink, then it might make more sense to do a little on-page optimization, or buy a KID domain if it's available.

There's not anything wrong with advising someone to take advantage of opportunities when they present themselves. To tell someone to put blinders on is bad advice.

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Ordinarily I would delete all the off-topic posts, but I'm gonna let them ride because I don't want you folks thinking we have some sort of a gang here

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I find that the posts to reputation ratio might tell a story too...
OK well... bear in mind that many of us had thousands of posts before the RP system arrived

Now folks... please get back on topic.

cmancre,

3-4 years ago KWD Domains were much less effective than they have become in recent years, but still they are by no means essential or unbeatable.

That's all I'm saying - lol - had this discussion a million times already... Look for previous threads about this, there are lots of them here.
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I believe each situation requires a different solution. If a guy has a bunch of high PR link farms at his disposal, well he'd be stupid not to use them. However if if a guy doesn't, and has to work 2 weeks to get one damned backlink, then it might make more sense to do a little on-page optimization, or buy a KID domain if it's available.

There's not anything wrong with advising someone to take advantage of opportunities when they present themselves. To tell someone to put blinders on is bad advice.

You don't listen. I will slow it down a little to point out exactly what I mean.

In his original post this was said;

you definitely need a kid and that if you don't you need millions of $$$ to build a brand in order to rank

Now that is quite different from suggesting that a kid is helpful, which would not be disputed and would not have lead to negative rep. This is bad advice and unless this was pointed out thousands of people could end up wasting a lot of time and money.

The problem is that thousands of people use this forum to learn. You might find it strange that members take this very seriously and point out bad advice (and give neg rep) where necessary.

I personally think that its what separates this from other forums. Take a look at some other SEO forums and you will see a big difference. Question are post and never answered, when posts are answered the advice given is quite often wrong. "meta descriptions help CTR", "forum Sig's are great links" etc etc

Where does that leave the person asking for advice? they have to sort through tons of rubbish to get to the advice that will help. That's if they have enough knowledge to do this.

Take a look through some old posts on this forum and you will see a big difference, a lot of the advice is good and bad advice is not tolerated. If you want to be able to give bad advice and not get picked up on it then perhaps this forum isn't for you.

If you want to really learn and take your SEO to the next level then stick around.

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Another very well thought out structured response that others can definitely learn from.


The Leader why you worry about reputation it depends on other members if they like your post they give you +points if they dislike your post they give -points you are here then it is claiming you also want to learn something in seo if you have knowledge then please share your knowledge I promise if you share will worthy related to seo I will give you some positive points......

Some of the good members here like Fathom, EGOL, SEO_AM, Gerry Read their posts go www.mattcutts.com/blog also read it and apply on it you SEO practice, hanging here I am sure after some times you realize here all posters are very informative and supportive kind of nature.

Dear this is just a friendly advice please don't take it another way........

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Positive Rep isn't important to me but negative rep seems to bring bad will to the forum which is clearly illustrated in the previoius posts where anger is clearly demonstrated!

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You don't listen. I will slow it down a little to point out exactly what I mean.

No need to be defensive and insulting. I was trying to bolster your point.

Don't shoot first and ask questions later. You need to put that gun away.

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You're saying those two things are bad advice. It's all situational, you shouldn't state it as an absolute, to do so is bad advice.

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I'm just going to say that I feel it is not necessary to have keywords in your domain name. I do believe it can be useful to show relevance when people search for the keywords and they appear bold in the domain.

If it was such an important thing many sites would have no chance at all, including many of our in-house sites and also customer websites.

I personally don't like keywords in a domain name as they appear spammy but in a page name is fine by me

Sorry, it's been said many times but I just wanted to add that.

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You're saying those two things are bad advice. It's all situational, you shouldn't state it as an absolute, to do so is bad advice.


Is the level up or down?


But this is not situational and does have an absolute answer. A kid would help but you can do just as well or even better without one.

Having a KID is absolutely not essential.

That's the point!
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