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    Bad Backlinks


    So I know that after the Penguin fiasco, G has decided to be s.t.upid & tell everyone that THEY have to police all their backlinks.

    Of course this makes NO logical sense at all to me, b/c how can a person/biz know where ALL people put the URL to their site? You can't control what other people online do? That's just NUTS IMO.

    I heard the following from several people & I don't know if it's true or not, but if it is, I'm PISSED.

    1. Even if I put my link here in a thread to show you something, that's considered a BAD backlink b/c SP has nothing to do with my industry. That means every time I've posted on a forum I'm being penalized.

    I have to assume, but don't know if putting the URLs in my signature is also considered BAD.

    What if I put my link in a classified site like CL? Is THAT considered bad too b/c I am not part of the classified industry???

    What if an industry that has nothing to do with mine but is complementary posts my URL on their site? They should be ALLOWED.

    Just FUed IMO.

    2. I traded links with many sites within my industry & a few similar industries all last year & the year before. I never checked to see if their site was considered bad or good, I just traded.

    Now I've learned that if THAT site is considered bad, that I'm going to be penalized.

    The amount of work it will take to contact everyone & TRY to get the links removed is enormous, & what if they don't respond or comply? Then what is a company supposed to do?

    Again, this makes NO logical sense to me at all & IMO & I feel this new rule is very dangerous. While I understand they wanted to get rid of the link farming angle, obviously there's a HUGE difference between my links being on a farm (which they shouldn't be as I didn't put them there) & them being on a site that I don't own or have control over, but is part of my industry.

    Of course this means competitors can now bring down their competition by placing their competition's sites on link farms or bad sites. Anyone who wants to hurt others (there are hundreds of mean spirited people online) can now do so.

    So my question is, what steps do I need to take to figure out if a site that has my link on it is considered bad by G's standards?

    What have you guys done to solve this problem?

    Thanks & sorry for the rant, but I'm still pissed.


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    Google's quality guidelines have always been the same. Two important factors are:

    Avoid tricks intended to improve search engine rankings. A good rule of thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a website that competes with you. Another useful test is to ask, "Does this help my users? Would I do this if search engines didn't exist?"
    Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank.
    A site owner is not going to penalized because you've got the occasional link from a forum thread or because your friend linked to your website. It's all about motive. And about quantity.

    The problem is that most webmasters wear blinders when it comes to motive. I hear so many people say, "I didn't put that link in that directory (my forum sig, my friend's blogroll) to increase my PR! I did it to get traffic to my site!"

    And in most cases they are fooling even themselves. Would you still want the link if it was nofollowed?

    I traded links with many sites within my industry & a few similar industries all last year & the year before.
    Why? Don't tell me it was so you could get traffic from the site. Was there even a little bit of thought that you were doing it so that you could get more links to your site and therefore rank higher? As Google says, would you still do that if search engines didn't exist?

    I'm not going to get into the negative SEO area...too many people have argued back and forth on that without anyone being able to prove anything.

    But, I wanted to give my two cents. Don't be afraid of the odd link here and there. But, know that any time you create a link with even an inkling of a thought that it will help your search engine rankings then you are doing something manipulative. Google's not going to go after you for a few manipulative links, but when that's the majority of your link profile, then yes, you've got a chance of being penalized.
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    Now this is my personal view, I think Google is saying exactly that... people start policing your backlinks. I believe the intention behind that is, Google wants to let you know buying back links through all the back-link builders has been devalued or will be. And if you want to be on page 1, you buy our backlinks and not someone elses. (not in my house you don't)

    It's economics.
    Google makes lots and lots of money on adsense (PPC) Google's taking out their competition, not natural linking patterns but companies that build linking schemes to sell link service to sites, opposed to a site that used googles PPC.

    I believe the notifications job was to let the site owner (or whoevers listed on their Google tool account) is to let you and the world know you will be penalized (lets say affected because it's really not a penalty) for such tactics, I'm thinkin they want to stop it in it's tracks. And adding that devaluation of the link builders sites which in turn lowered your score and lowered your rankings, worked perfectly into their plan. It got your attention. IMO it means, if your not going to play the way we want you to, you don't get to play.

    Of course this means competitors can now bring down their competition by placing their competition's sites on link farms or bad sites.
    Again IMO, I think thats a misconception, If you went and added 500 links from a devalued link network, to the #1 site, I don't think it would have an affect at all, I believe you'd be wasting your time and money. They already have good links and yours aren't going to make any difference, because their devalued.
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    Originally Posted by Dr.Marie
    Google's quality guidelines have always been the same. Two important factors are:





    A site owner is not going to penalized because you've got the occasional link from a forum thread or because your friend linked to your website. It's all about motive. And about quantity.

    The problem is that most webmasters wear blinders when it comes to motive. I hear so many people say, "I didn't put that link in that directory (my forum sig, my friend's blogroll) to increase my PR! I did it to get traffic to my site!"

    And in most cases they are fooling even themselves. Would you still want the link if it was nofollowed?



    Why? Don't tell me it was so you could get traffic from the site. Was there even a little bit of thought that you were doing it so that you could get more links to your site and therefore rank higher? As Google says, would you still do that if search engines didn't exist?

    I'm not going to get into the negative SEO area...too many people have argued back and forth on that without anyone being able to prove anything.

    But, I wanted to give my two cents. Don't be afraid of the odd link here and there. But, know that any time you create a link with even an inkling of a thought that it will help your search engine rankings then you are doing something manipulative. Google's not going to go after you for a few manipulative links, but when that's the majority of your link profile, then yes, you've got a chance of being penalized.
    Ok, now I'm REALLY confused LOL. Are you saying that we aren't allowed to put links on any site now whether it's in our industry or not?

    I didn't know this wasn't allowed at all (even before). Everyone & I mean EVERYONE I read always concentrated on building backlinks.

    As I mentioned in another thread, to assume that all industries have people in them where pass links along is just not true.

    My industry is like that. People don't normally pass tons of links around. It's a very close knit type of industry where people don't socialize. I mean they do in some ways, but not always openly.

    So how am I supposed to get any links if that's the case?

    And on some sites trading links would get the odd piece of traffic here or there, so yes while it was for backlinking, who knows if I would get traffic.

    So I will say that if there wasn't a SE then for SURE I'd be advertising my URL all over the place. That's how we do it with offline marketing, so why would anyone think it's any different online? Again, makes no sense to me & I'm a very logical person.

    G can't decide what a company's motive is b/c they AREN'T pat of our company.

    As for the occasional link here or there being on a site that isn't part of my industry, I've had my biz since 2002, so naturally I have been around the block many times over & I have my URL out there on numerous forums.

    Can you tell me how many is too much?

    So you didn't answer my other question about how one is supposed to tell if a site you are linked from is good or bad. Is that b/c you think I should have ALL my links removed? And again, what if I can't get them removed?

    And how am I supposed to get my links removed from forums online? Once a certain amount of days has passed, one can't edit their posts.

    I still this whole link stuff is terrible & nuts.

    Thanks for responding though


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    Originally Posted by Test-ok
    Now this is my personal view, I think Google is saying exactly that... people start policing your backlinks. I believe the intention behind that is, Google wants to let you know buying back links through all the back-link builders has been devalued or will be. And if you want to be on page 1, you buy our backlinks and not someone elses. (not in my house you don't)

    It's economics.
    Google makes lots and lots of money on adsense (PPC) Google's taking out their competition, not natural linking patterns but companies that build linking schemes to sell link service to sites, opposed to a site that used googles PPC.

    I believe the notifications job was to let the site owner (or whoevers listed on their Google tool account) is to let you and the world know you will be penalized (lets say affected because it's really not a penalty) for such tactics, I'm thinkin they want to stop it in it's tracks. And adding that devaluation of the link builders sites which in turn lowered your score and lowered your rankings, worked perfectly into their plan. It got your attention. IMO it means, if your not going to play the way we want you to, you don't get to play.



    Again IMO, I think thats a misconception, If you went and added 500 links from a devalued link network, to the #1 site, I don't think it would have an affect at all, I believe you'd be wasting your time and money. They already have good links and yours aren't going to make any difference, because their devalued.
    G removed my industry from being allowed to do PPC, so that doesn't work for me.

    And I think it's DAMM wrong to make a company that doesn't have a lot of money to invest into SEO spend their time policing links. Maybe links going forward, but not links from years ago. That's just ridiculous IMO.

    Again, I'm NOT talking about link farms. I don't care about those & I've NEVER put my link on them & I agree with them on that, so something else is going on here as to why my sites dropped from #1 to almost off the first page.

    Thanks


    Michelle
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    I didn't know this wasn't allowed at all (even before). Everyone & I mean EVERYONE I read always concentrated on building backlinks.
    It's all in how you understand it.

    Building backlinks is a never ending job for sites owner, good back links takes years, it doesn't mean...ok time to build backlinks, oh here's a company that'll get me 500 links a week, I'll hire them for 2 months and check that off my list.

    Try and do it too fast and your more than likely going to crash.
    Last edited by Test-ok; Sep 2nd, 2012 at 06:05 PM.
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    Michelle...it would take me hours to answer all of those questions!

    But briefly:

    So how am I supposed to get any links if that's the case?
    The world of linkbuilding is changing. The safest way to get links now is to build awesome stuff and then promote it. But that's hard...really hard. Google wants sites to rank because they're better for the user than other sites and not because someone skilled built links for them.

    Can you tell me how many is too much?
    Nope. No one can. All we can do is speculate.

    So you didn't answer my other question about how one is supposed to tell if a site you are linked from is good or bad
    That's a question that you'd have to write a massive article about to fully answer. There's no black and white answer. My philosophy (and not all here will agree with me) is that if I created the link completely myself then it's bad. If someone else was involved, it could be ok as long as it's not overdone (like 50 sites all doing a link exchange), and if someone decided to link to me without me being involved then that's the best link of all.

    Is that b/c you think I should have ALL my links removed?
    Do you have a penalty? If not, then I wouldn't do anything.
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    Well I may not have a penalty like you define it, but being booted out of first place when I've been there for the last 8-10 years to me, is a penalty. You know no one makes money being in 5th, 8th place or lower.

    Thanks


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    Not to get off the subject.
    search:
    How to Start a Escort Service Business Exotic Publishing
    then search
    How to Start a Escort Service Business
    then search
    How to Start a Escort Service

    Could your on-page use some tlc?

    one more thing...How many different AT links to the same page were you planning on using with this image:


    I count a total of about 32 links on your home page to your eBook and your in here bitchen about Google moving you down in the results, your not trying to manipulate the results? and you blatantly do it.
    That's exactly what google is after, get your head out of the sand, quit bitchen about Google and clean your house.
    Your problem might not even be incoming links.

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    • Dr.Marie agrees : I had no idea we were talking about escort service. The game could be totally different first site like that. I would imagine there are a lot of things that could get you penalized. website!
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    Ugh. Sorry about the nonsensical agree above. Trying to comment using voice feature of my iPhone.

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    • Test-ok agrees : lol..I wish I have one of those thingies, the way I type. :)
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    I really don't think the topic has anything to do with it. It still boils down to good on-page optimizing, good content and good natural links...and the funny part about it is...It's been that way from day one.

    The problem with most people is the way humans have evolved...we want it and we want it now, and 90 percent of em do it at any cost just to get it 'now' then bitch about it when it wasn't earned or did a sloppy job.

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    Originally Posted by Test-ok
    Not to get off the subject.
    search:
    How to Start a Escort Service Business Exotic Publishing
    then search
    How to Start a Escort Service Business
    then search
    How to Start a Escort Service

    Could your on-page use some tlc?

    one more thing...How many different AT links to the same page were you planning on using with this image:


    I count a total of about 32 links on your home page to your eBook and your in here bitchen about Google moving you down in the results, your not trying to manipulate the results? and you blatantly do it.
    That's exactly what google is after, get your head out of the sand, quit bitchen about Google and clean your house.
    Your problem might not even be incoming links.
    WOW, what a nasty post you just wrote to me.

    You go around assuming I've done something wrong.

    This is EXACTLY what I mean. I did NOT place the buttons there to try & manipulate anything.

    If my page isn't done perfectly, that's b/c I'm not an expert SEOer OBVIOUSLY & if my site was soooo bad, I wouldn't have been #1 all these years.

    To accuse me of doing something underhanded is just plain IGNORANCE on your part.

    Just NASTY!

    I come on here for help & then get put down. Nice people!
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    Originally Posted by Test-ok
    I really don't think the topic has anything to do with it. It still boils down to good on-page optimizing, good content and good natural links...and the funny part about it is...It's been that way from day one.

    The problem with most people is the way humans have evolved...we want it and we want it now, and 90 percent of em do it at any cost just to get it 'now' then bitch about it when it wasn't earned or did a sloppy job.
    I'll repeat AGAIN. I NEVER expected anything done with the SNAP of my fingers. I was ALWAYS #1 until April. Read????

    No job was sloppy, OBVIOUSLY I didn't know that putting Buy buttons on my page was considered a NO NO. WOW, accuse much????
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    Here's the titles on your first 9 buttons.

    The secret to running a successful Escort Agency
    Open your own Escort Business
    Successful Escort Agencies
    Profitable Escort Agencies
    Secret to running a successful escort agency
    Open your own Escort Business
    Escort Business Secrets Revealed
    Escort Agency Secrets
    Everything you need to know about Escort Businesses

    and thats just the first 9, no need to go on.

    I did NOT place the buttons there to try & manipulate anything.
    you just thought each one should carry a different keyword phrase, who is that for...the end user? we both know it's not..it was for the search engines.

    Maybe you personally didn't do it, but that's a sloppy job when your blaming Google for your drop in the serps.
    Now you can take the comments personally or you can learn from it.

    As far as you coming here for help, your original post seems to indicate how stupid Google is. However you did ask.
    So my question is, what steps do I need to take to figure out if a site that has my link on it is considered bad by G's standards?
    I just pointed out what links are bad, your pointing blame on other people who you have no control over aiming bad links to you...when in reality it very well could be you. In other words you might not have bad links pointing to your site, the problem could be in your own house.

    I don't have to accuse you...Google beat me to it.
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    When you accuse me of bitching for no reason I WILL take it personally.

    I did come here to learn, but perhaps your bedside manner & the fact that you just assume things & accuse without knowing the company, what their intent is, how knowledgeable they are, etc. is where the problem lies. Maybe if you were a little nicer when telling me we aren't allowed to do that, I would have responded differently. I thought you were saying one couldn't have buy buttons on the page, I didn't know you were talking about the alt tags.

    I still stand by what I said about G & companies NOT having control over who places their site where & how. This is the Internet with billions of people. I have no control over what other people do, I can only control what I do.

    As for the buttons not being allowed to have different kws, why is that a problem? And since when?

    I was told that one of the Penguin changes to anchor links is that the kws all have to be different. Granted this isn't a text link it's an image, but isn't that the same thing?

    I do remember that 4-5 years ago someone added the kws to the buttons, so this is a problem now?

    I'm just not understanding this at all.

    Are you saying that we aren't allowed to do ANYTHING SEO wise to help our site get onto the first page? We shouldn't look up kws, write articles with the kws, write our copy with kws, go onto blogs & comment & link back? That's all SEO.

    I'm not saying you are wrong, but you are the first person to state that since I started going onto forums asking around.
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