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Old January 17th, 2008, 12:17 AM
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There are no risk free businesses. Any biz you get into has competitor risk, product risk, liability risk, and much more. But the web is especially a risky place to make a living - so know that going in.

If you are going to make a living on the web diversify if you can so that you can suffer a big rankings drop and still eat and pay your rent. You might have to lay off employees or downsize your home... the key is being conservative in hiring and don't buy a bigger house than you can afford.

If things totally tank for you, there is always a McDs or a Wal-Mart nearby where you can get a job. So, treat your employees well because the guy that you laid off six months ago might be your shift manager when you start working at McDs.


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Its actually really funny, because I am fairly new to SEO and I am even tired of reading these types of post, But I KNOW at one point I had a thread out there like that. SO now its up to me to just skim them, but I really just advise ppl to search the forum first and than ask your question. I really don't want ppl to be put off too.

I can not remember, which I wish I could so I can give this person rep, but I remember someone saying SEO is a continual thing like a marathon. And with this mind set I find it very exciting to find out what the SE are doing and keeping up with it. Yes sometime i want to pull my hair out but with the right SEO techniques it could really be fun.

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Great advice, but some people will continue to gamble everything on ranking on Google because the potential rewards are so high. At the other end of the spectrum are the people who will do nothing but PPC because they have more control over it.

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I just been reading another thread about rankings in google just dissapearing and the associated pain and loss of income that goes with this.

Firstly – sudden dissapearance seems more often to be associated with a google glitch than any penalty etc. Often the site will just reappear as quickly as it dissapeared over the next 24 to 48 hours. In the words of Douglas Adams Don’t panic ……

Having said this I am constantly amazed at how many people are willing to place their whole business model and livelyhood on a single search engine ranking. This is IMHO just plan foolishness.

The SE donot exist for the sake of small business. It does not matter how well your site is doing at the present at some point you will loose that ranking. It is inevatable as algos change, SE change, the web changes nothing is constant in this world.

Thus people if you are making money by the good graces of the SE it is time you took some action to consolidate that income.

Here are some basic actions that I would recommend

1) Start with the premise that your good ranking will not last.
2) Consider how a % of the income you earn can be used to diversify your customer sources
3) Consider how a % of the income you earn can be used to consolidate/diversify your positions on SE

Some methods that can be used:
-PPC
-Advertising on other people high traffic sites
-Paying for link building or other SEO services
-Advertising in other sources of media other than the internet
-Diversifying your product range and capturing other markets on the SE

The above is by no means an extensive list. But if you donot take some action your livelyhood and family security is being built on a stack of cards. You will see your traffic drop/dissapear one day and feel you have been hard done by. You have not you are a victum of your own lack of risk diversification efforts.

DO NOT LET THIS BE YOU Google is not you friend it is a commercial business that does not care in the slighest about you and your family.

Take care – use good business practices – enjoy the cream while its there……



This phenomenon should be termed as "SEO-cide"!!
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I'm guilty of relying on Google as my sole sales channel.

I'm seeing larger "stores" that sell simular items as my niche product pushing me down in the SE results.

For my keyword, the top ten is really the top 5, because all the top ten have indented listings ( I really wish Google would only list the single, most relevent URL for a site, rather than list two!)

Anyway, my counter-measures will include long-tail marketing. That is, ad words for very specific phrases. Hopefully the sales conversion per click will be good.

I'll also be looking at offering my product at discount through traditional retail stores.

Yeah - the internet business model was supposed to give consumers access to a wide variety of suppliers. And it does, but the searcher has to do some work.

In my opinion, the searchers are (in general) lazy and most don't look past page one (they must think ranking = best quality & best price). When I shop on-line, I look at least 5 pages deep. The best deals not always on page one.

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In my opinion, the searchers are (in general) lazy and most don't look past page one (they must think ranking = best quality & best price). When I shop on-line, I look at least 5 pages deep. The best deals not always on page one.

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Exaggerating a bit are we? You have time to investigate 50 websites for the same thing? Surely when you say "finding a deal"... the deal isn't found in the Meta Description (or snippet).

Most searchers find what they desire in the top 5 or at least on page 1... (actually #1 usually has what they wish) and while the frugal shopper is looking for a deal... surely higher or lower prices [deals] make no difference in SERP position so why would all the best deal be deeper?
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Great thread Gazzahk:

We should add to the list "affiliate marketing."
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Exaggerating a bit are we? You have time to investigate 50 websites for the same thing?

Most searchers find what they desire in the top 5 or at least on page 1... (actually #1 usually has what they wish) and while the frugal shopper is looking for a deal... surely higher or lower prices [deals] make no difference in SERP position so why would all the best deal be deeper?


Not exaggerating. When I'm looking for a supplier for a tool, machine, or supply to support my business, it pays to find the best price from a reliable vendor. A saying in business is, "you don't make money when you sell, you make money when you buy."

I didn't say all the best deals are deeper. I said the best deals are not always on page one.

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