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    Arrow are any keywords or searches untouchable?


    Im wondering if its possible to get top 10 serps for any keyword with the right ammount of work and backlinks.. can SEO really always make a difference?

    I Guess im also wondering if anyone has found any terms or searches which are pretty much "fully optimized" and really have no room for new entries.
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    Nothing is untouchable in SEM...nothing.
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    Sure if you have the knowledge and the willingness to work at it. I could rank for any seo and web design terms if I had the resources (Money)

    What you should focus on the most is link building with your anchor text in. Anchor text rules out PR by far.
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    I don't know wyrick and Cygnus - I've been working full time with three other people on one site (40-60 hours per week for each of us). We spend about $15K per month link building and content building, sending press releases, buying links, etc. and we haven't even touched the top 100 for a keyword phrase I would consider pretty non-competitive.

    Granted, we've only been at it since April, but I'd still have to say that for terms that are 100-1000 times more competitive than ours, you're pretty screwed if you're starting a new site.

    I don't know what those keywords might be, but I'm guessing anytime you have 10 to 20 of the top SEO people and companies in the US all competing for the same 5-10 phrases, you're going to have a very, very rough time getting in. While nothing is impossible, even on the web, there are barriers to entry that might make starting a different kind of business altogether a more profitable and worthwhile endeavor.
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    I am refering to Google more then Yahoo because Yahoo loves the on-page seo more then Google does. But Links are a huge part of sucess really.

    Lets see I could compete against a very hard to reach keyword with basicly a few site-wide links with some high-profiled site such as bigwebmaster, seo-guy, seochat, aplus.net (Talking about my site getting links from these people not others sites)
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    randfish, what keywards are you targetting? is it an online casino site?
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    Originally Posted by juice
    Im wondering if its possible to get top 10 serps for any keyword with the right ammount of work and backlinks.. can SEO really always make a difference?
    To me you are asking two different questions.

    Can any keyword be bought? yes.

    Can seo make a difference? yes.

    Can any keyword be bought by using seo tactics and not money? no.

    Make sense?
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    Originally Posted by randfish
    I don't know wyrick and Cygnus - I've been working full time with three other people on one site (40-60 hours per week for each of us). We spend about $15K per month link building and content building, sending press releases, buying links, etc. and we haven't even touched the top 100 for a keyword phrase I would consider pretty non-competitive.
    Holy cow! Should the small guys even bother? I'm spending like an hour or two a day - tops - on my website. And not spending any money. Do I even have any hope of ever showing up in a search engine anywhere near the top?

    That's rather disheartening!

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    I am not sure what he's talking about. With $15k a month I could in a couple months be top 10 for the most competive keyword out there.
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    Originally Posted by randfish
    I don't know wyrick and Cygnus - I've been working full time with three other people on one site (40-60 hours per week for each of us). We spend about $15K per month link building and content building, sending press releases, buying links, etc. and we haven't even touched the top 100 for a keyword phrase I would consider pretty non-competitive.

    Granted, we've only been at it since April, but I'd still have to say that for terms that are 100-1000 times more competitive than ours, you're pretty screwed if you're starting a new site.
    Whatever the opposite of advertising is.....that post was it.
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    Originally Posted by randfish
    I don't know wyrick and Cygnus - I've been working full time with three other people on one site (40-60 hours per week for each of us). We spend about $15K per month link building and content building, sending press releases, buying links, etc. and we haven't even touched the top 100 for a keyword phrase I would consider pretty non-competitive.

    Granted, we've only been at it since April, but I'd still have to say that for terms that are 100-1000 times more competitive than ours, you're pretty screwed if you're starting a new site.

    I don't know what those keywords might be, but I'm guessing anytime you have 10 to 20 of the top SEO people and companies in the US all competing for the same 5-10 phrases, you're going to have a very, very rough time getting in. While nothing is impossible, even on the web, there are barriers to entry that might make starting a different kind of business altogether a more profitable and worthwhile endeavor.
    You're Fired LOL
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    Originally Posted by GeoffreyF67
    Holy cow! Should the small guys even bother? I'm spending like an hour or two a day - tops - on my website. And not spending any money. Do I even have any hope of ever showing up in a search engine anywhere near the top?
    I'm not sure what keywords randfish is targeting, but with that kind of time and money, and even a moderate amount of knowledge, you could rank on page 1 for almost anything in a few months max. For less competitive keywords, you can do it with a couple hours a day and no money. It will just take a bit longer.
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    Yea if you are on a budget or can't afford links it's very tough then.
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    Alright, I get it. I must be a very poor disciple of the seo religion.

    Here's my url - www avatarfinancial com - the keyword phrase I'm working on is the first three words in the title

    You kids show me what I'm doing so wrong and why I have no skills. Don't worry, I'll only cry a little.

    BTW we don't spend all $15K on the web, we typically allocate between 25% and 45% to print and direct media to drive business to the site. We also spend about $5-8K on PPC per month.
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    The web is not the instant riches that it used to be. Thanks to all the infomerchial dorks who told clients they would be hitting golfballs of their yachts after they put up their new "motivational posters" website!

    Either target a small group and pay small money, the approach is like advertising on a local or national basis. The cost a massive amount of differnce.

    This is why the PPC industry took off! Becuase it brought back the instant sales. But soon corporate smartypants saw PPC and decided to run with that as well.

    I target big keywords, one word is searched 3,000,000 times in overture. After 5 months I broke the surface of yahoo, and MSN. Google is on it's way. (friggin PR updates bahh humbug)

    and I did not spend 15K.....but I'm not dishing out $200 per month like all the SPAM emails for SEO I get.
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