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This is a pretty common question I''m sure but I want a couple opinions and I'll send $20 to the best answer (verified by who I give rep points too).


What is best format for writing content for domains (not blogs, not article submissions etc.) in GOOGLE - not yahoo not MSN.

Example: Drug Rehabilitation Center Website - DrugRehabCenter.com

How many times to use main keyword (say in this instance "drug rehab") per 500 words?

Should "stemming" be used, if so how often and to what extent?

Should keyword be in article title?

Keep in mind I'm asking this about a website I'm building that will have up to 1000 articles on it all on the same topic which has tons and tons of variations i.e. cocaine addiction, meth addiction, rehab centers, 12 set program, natural rehab, the list goes on and on.

I plan to create a 500-1000 word article for every keyword/key phrase combination i can think of.

I was thinking 1-1.5% KW density with approx 5 variations (stems) of the keyword in each 500 words.

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Write whatever, however you wish -- specifically for the readership.

Then get links to it using the phrases you wish to rank for.

Please note that your ideas for stemming, keyword density, etc. can't begin to compete at a level that links provide therefore the "best answers" you are looking for are inferior.

Write whatever, however you wish -- specifically for the readership... and then links a 10 links, for better results 50, better still 100 or 1,000, or 10,000 -- best would be a million links.
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Well i know that if i used the keyword 5% or more in a 500 word article and threw a hundred links at it, i would never get good ranking for it in Google. Google hates "keyword stuffing" of the density that MSN and Yahoo love.

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Proof-read. Let your mum proof read. If she frowns, change it.

Besides: don't expect all your articles to get indexed. Google is beyond that now. They prefer a single article that lotsa PEOPLE like nowadays.

So - basically - yeah: what fathom said.

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1st the proof is in the pudding so to speak for links. But that's not really what you are asking.

You are asking how to write an article that stands the best chance of ranking with NO links, ie, the best on page seo/factors, correct?

Say for example you want to write about keyword addiction, the negatives of it and what can be done to help others in that situation I would write:
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<h1> Keyword Addiction</h1>

<h2>Keyword addiction, the negatives of it and what can be done to help others in that situation</h2>
< img src="keyword_addiction.gif" alt="signs of keyword addiction" width="750" height="45">

<h4>In this article about keyword addiction we will explore what make a keyword addict, the signs of keyword abuse and how to help others that may be suffering from addiction</h4>

<a href="#keyword_addiction">keyword addiction</a> | 
<a href="#what_makes_a_keyword_addict">what makes a keyword addict</a> | 
<a href="#signs_of_keyword_abuse">signs of keyword abuse</a> | 
<a href="keyword.html#how-to-help-others">how to help others</a> 

<h5><a name="keyword_addiction">keyword addiction</a></h5>
keyword addiction starts by bla bla bla, 3 paragraphs, 5 sentences per paragraph, between 1-4% keyword per paragraph (vary it in each paragraph total of 2-3% keyword saturation total including variations)


<h5><a name="what_makes_a_keyword_addict">what makes a keyword addict</a></h5>
keyword addiction starts by bla bla bla, 3 paragraphs, 5 sentences per paragraph, between 1-4% keyword per paragraph (vary it in each paragraph total of 2-3% keyword saturation total including variations)

<h5><a name="signs_of_keyword_abuse">signs of keyword abuse</a></h5>
signs of keyword abuse bla bla bla, 3 paragraphs, 5 sentences per paragraph, between 2-6% keyword per paragraph (vary it in each paragraph total of 3-4% keyword saturation total including variations must be readable and not sound spammy or return links will be few and far between)

<h5><a name="how-to-help-others">how to help others</a></h5>
how to help others with signs of keyword abuse bla bla bla, 3 paragraphs, 5 sentences per paragraph, between 1-3% keyword per paragraph (vary it in each paragraph total of 1-3% keyword saturation total including variations must be readable and not sound spammy or return links will be few and far between)
<br>
<!----keyword abuse footer---->
<a href="#" name="keyword abuse"> Keyword abuse</a> <a href="external link" rel=nofollow title="page name">prevention of keyword abuse</a> & a few more internal links


The total page weight for the main keyword as a 1 word should be 3-4%, as a 2 word phrase should be 2-3% and as a three word phrase 1-2%

If that isn't the epitome of keyword abuse, I don't know what is.
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What is best format for writing content for domains (not blogs, not article submissions etc.) in GOOGLE - not yahoo not MSN.


A good keyboard, a intelligent mind and a computer. Honestly if your thinking of using a tool don't, if your thinking of rewriting articles already written, don't. The best content is what comes from the hand of an experienced writer... someone who knows what he is writing of.




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Example: Drug Rehabilitation Center Website - DrugRehabCenter.com


Get rid of the "website", it is not needed, I think that assumption is made quite clear in the fact that they are on the web




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How many times to use main keyword (say in this instance "drug rehab") per 500 words?


You write your content, titles and design your website for the user not Google. You don't stuff keywords in the hopes it will give you a better rank, you write your titles and content based on what the user will think. Now tell me what would the user think with the same keyword every other word?



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Should "stemming" be used, if so how often and to what extent?


Again you shouldn't be worried about that, basically what matters most is the anchor text of your links, that is what will rank your site. You should use words which best describe the article, content and page, using multiple variations would not make me as a visitor very excited.


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Should keyword be in article title?


Most definitely, your main keyword for that page should most definitely be in the title unless of course it is irrelevant in which case I would question why you are targeting it.


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Keep in mind I'm asking this about a website I'm building that will have up to 1000 articles on it all on the same topic which has tons and tons of variations i.e. cocaine addiction, meth addiction, rehab centers, 12 set program, natural rehab, the list goes on and on.


Well start off by providing articles which define for instance a "cocaine addict", and of course a remedy for the problem. Be descriptive, provide alot of information but not too much, too much information and few will actually read it all.

Write an e-book on "conquering any addiction", of course use better words but the same basic idea, then promote it as free. In the article you can have links to your different categories, such as "meth addiction"



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I plan to create a 500-1000 word article for every keyword/key phrase combination i can think of.


Create an article for each topic, question, subject in your niche which has merit, don't create one for each keyword, then your articles will lose meaning, they will become drab and same ol' and you won't be getting any quality links to them.

Even if you spend a day or more writing each article do it, put time, research and knowledge into your articles and people will see it and ultimately you will rank for your keywords.
Once you have popular articles, ranking for all those variations is very easy.

Also don't set your limit of words per article, stop when you have completed, you have written an extensive, useful and exhaustive resource. Only then is it truly a resource and only then will it be of value.


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I was thinking 1-1.5% KW density with approx 5 variations (stems) of the keyword in each 500 words.


Are you looking at providing an article of value or an article of keywords... can the keyword density baloney. It is worthless and annoying to those of us looking for information.



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I'll pick best answer in 2 hours. 3:30 PM CT TIME

THANKS - Dustin


Hmm this thread might become popular pretty fast
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The more I have read this forum the more I feel this seo business all really boils down 1 thing. TOP QUALITY CONTENT (TQC)

If you put top content out there, that your readers like then you will go far.

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The more I have read this forum the more I feel this seo business all really boils down 1 thing. TOP QUALITY CONTENT (TQC)

If you put top content out there, that your readers like then you will go far.


Yes indeed but I also like to go back to a little 13 year old who ranks #1 for Make Money Online in google - http://www.carlocab.com/

I hate to be critical and maybe I am wrong, but I highly doubt that 13 year old really had all that outstanding content... the thing that IMO took him to the top was the novelty of a 13 year old teaching adults how to make money online... the idea was so stupendous that it took off and he now ranks... of course I got to give him credit, there are other 13-14-15 year olds who tried and failed... I myself have read very little of his blog so can't really comment on his knowledge.

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Thanks for sharing that. You are right of course, sometimes it not just good content, sometimes you have to provide something different, something eye catching.

My brain is continually working on this, as yet I dont have the answer for my site, but one day Ill get there

The first thing I read about SEO was that Content is King

A year or 2 down the line it appears this is still true

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This is a pretty common question I''m sure but I want a couple opinions and I'll send $20 to the best answer (verified by who I give rep points too).



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What is best format for writing content for domains (not blogs, not article submissions etc.) in GOOGLE - not yahoo not MSN.

your keywords at you think people would type it not more than 3 or 4 words

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How many times to use main keyword (say in this instance "drug rehab") per 500 words?

get it around 2.5-3% density but keyword density is not important as an incoming link with containing keywords. so focus on link building to your website with keywords in it because “Links are like votes for your site”

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Should "stemming" be used, if so how often and to what extent?

yes also suggest you use synonyms, misspellings, and all related .words as they are all part of LSI.


Just make them look natural and easy to read and follow for users.

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yes and i would say in a <h1>...<h5> tag
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Hi MadisonSEO,

I must say, that's a great way to get attention and get your question answered, although the answer is probably already here...somewhere.

The market, the competiton, your current site status in Google's interpretation, off-page elements and several other things factor into this, so to get 100% sure thing is most likely going to be a matter of opinion, and who or what you believe.

With all of these factors considered, I'll give you my method for free and you can tell me how it works out...deal?

Search your kw term in G and save the top 5 results (url's).

Run a spider on each page.

Cut and paste the results directly into the content section of your template (minus the navigational elements from each page).

Run a density analyser (I like SEOQuake's Firefox extention) and look for your kw/kw phrase.

This isn't a difinitive answer by any means, but 90% of the seasoned SEO's will tell you kw density doesn't matter.

My opinion is that they are correct and that kw density by itself will not be enough to weigh SERP's one way another.

Good Luck.


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My post was serious, and directly answered the 1st post as it was asked, but was a "funny" too, if you missed it...although personally I'm somewhat embarrassed I replied to this thread. I remember a thread by this person asking something with the promise of a pr6 "cloaked linkback" (whatever that is) and now a supposed $20 for a "winner".
I like to help people as do most people I guess, but the 1st post was about drug addiction and treatment in a sense, but looking at the sig line the op appears to be a peddler of tramadol, I know my forum has been spammed by tramadol many times, and I've seen several others that have too.

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My post was serious, and directly answered the 1st post as it was asked, but was a "funny" too, if you missed it...although personally I'm somewhat embarrassed I replied to this thread. I remember a thread by this person asking something with the promise of a pr6 "cloaked linkback" (whatever that is) and now a supposed $20 for a "winner".
I like to help people as do most people I guess, but the 1st post was about drug addiction and treatment in a sense, but looking at the sig line the op appears to be a peddler of tramadol, I know my forum has been spammed by tramadol many times, and I've seen several others that have too.


Well I am sure he will make good on his promise...

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yes also suggest you use synonyms, misspellings, and all related .words as they are all part of LSI.


That can create a very unprofessional atmosphere... while misspellings can be effective targets you should make it clear that they are "popular misspellings" or even sometimes have its own page. if you instead just use variations of spellings in the article it will look very unprofessional and can be a turn off for some people, especially in certain niches.
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