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Old April 12th, 2006, 12:09 PM
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It has been strongly rumored that things like the author tag, in a very small small small way, add creadability to the site. Also, even tho folow:index is the default, actually having the code is like a welcome matt for spiders. It just shows that you're taking that extra step.

Look at it this way: You don't really have to close certain tags, right? no. Likewise, you don't really have to have a robots.txt file, or an author tag, or anything. And even if they don't help one single bit (IMO, they do), it's still good practice and just adds to the argument that kinderstart doesn't take SEO seriously, they take it for granted.


Not really... there is a difference between doing 'for a benefit' and doing because 'it might benefit'.

Something that 'might benefit' - MIGHT make the difference between sites of equal design, depth, breadth, popularity, etc. - but rarely will you find "top ranked websites overly equal'.

META anything - will likely create massive jumps deep in results - going from ranked 1,000 to ranked 400 - BOY THAT HELPED ALOT... but it will not ever create a difference in a real world targeted phrase - to capture a top 30 spot - and anyone saying otherwise is just a fool to believe "that's what created higher ranks".

What's more [in context with this thread topic] when Google changes ordered ranking attributes [down grading for instances] there are bound to be websites that gained top ranks solely on that previous attribute that is now down graded - obviously you drop...

Thus SEO isn't about "DOING THE LITTLE THINGS" that MIGHT WORK - as these LITTLE THINGS are what get down graded.
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Old April 12th, 2006, 09:10 PM
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well .... one thing which is interesting is how so many MISINFORMED people here can attack this kinder care company ...... merely for suing google .....

I may be uninformed when it come to this case, but my comments against kinderblunders (or whatever their name is) have nothing to do with them "merely suing google".

If they claimed that they were spending a bunch on Adwords and Google dropped their natural ranking when they stopped - I would not call them names. If they claimed that Google had a vendeta against them and manually dropped their rankings in order to get even - I would not call them names. If they made a business deal with Google in which Google told them they would rank well, and they in turn built a business around that promise - I would support a suit. But none of that is the case. They are stating that Google is interfering with their right to free speech, and implying that they have a RIGHT to good Google rankings - sorry, but they are pathetic in my opinion and I'll continue to say so, as uninformed as I may be.
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Old April 12th, 2006, 09:53 PM
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well .... one thing which is interesting is how so many MISINFORMED people here can attack this kinder care company ...... merely for suing google .....

I am SHOCKED by the outrageous and childish remarks i have read here abusing the executives of that company .... just because they had the audacity to sue google .... all the while no one here knows that company or its business nor those executives .... the only thing known is they have a bone to pick with google ....

I do NOT know the facts in this case either .... and NEITHER DOES ANY ONE ELSE POSTING here ..... so no one knows if they have a VALID claim or not.

ONLY One thing is certain .... i remember haring the SAME choris of "OH HOW ABSURD THIS IS" when google got sued over in arkansas ..... you can go back and read the post in that thread here if you can stand it ... i recall eberyone talking about how it was such a friviliouos suite and they ould never get a dime .... yea right ....

Well .... i heard google is offering 98 MILLION to try and get out of that case now .... and i also heard soome people plan to INTERVENE and object to that settlement as UNFAIR to the class not participating in the negotiations .... so maybe that case will get to court anyway.

When the discovery in this kinder care case is done .... MAYBE then the FACTS will be published and we can all know what the deal is ...... if google dont pay them off to HIDE the facts from the public .... like they are trying to do in the arkansas case .....


My advice to the seo's here ..... save yourself some embarassment and Stick to seo topics here .... and leave the legal handicapping to the attorneys who know what they are talking about.....


hmmm... maybe you should take your own advice - stick to SEO topics.

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Well .... i heard google is offering 98 MILLION to try and get out of that case now .... and i also heard soome people plan to INTERVENE and object to that settlement as UNFAIR to the class not participating in the negotiations .... so maybe that case will get to court anyway.


I assume you heard from a reliable source - like the attorneys?

Professionally, and IMHO the suite is a joke... what about all the other website's free speech - someone else is #1, and #2 - are they not entired to their fair share?

What makes any companies ranks "more important" than competing firms?
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well .... you know what they say about opinions ..... "everybody has one" ....

and if people like to base an opinion on some second hand information some other uninformed person wrote ... that is their perogative ... as it is mine to point out that is a poor basis to lambasting someone ....

if someone here was roasting YOU guys without ANY KNOWLEDGE of the facts they were talking about .... you know i would question their motives too (like maybe they are yahoo publicists instead of google enthouisats)
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if someone here was roasting YOU guys without ANY KNOWLEDGE of the facts they were talking about .... you know i would question their motives too (like maybe they are yahoo publicists instead of google enthouisats)


I think the only 'motive' anyone has is to point out how ridiculous this case is in the hopes that someone will wake up and throw the case out. Imagine the impact a victory for KinderClod would have. It would change the face of SEO and search engines in general. Beyond search engines, what other private company offereing a free servie with no guarantees will be attacked next. These are the kinds of suits that change the world if they win.

Let me tell you a little story about how my family was sued once...

When I was younger, my brother and I were building a club house in our backyard, and we ran out of nails. A freind of my brothers was watching us and said his father had some nails, so he roller bladed the couple of blocks back to his house to get them. When he got there, he decided that skates weren't fast enough, so he would ride his bike back. Also, the nials of which he spoke were rusty and in a coffe can in the garage. Taking the skates off, however, would be just as time consuming as using them to return to my house, so HE RODE HIS BIKE OVER WITH SKATES ON! naturally, when he hit the curb, riding his bike with skates on and a can of rusty nails in his hand, he fell off the bike and cut his hand open on some nails.

Whose fault was this? My parents, who weren't home. because it happened on their property.

Suits like that make the world a less happy place. Would you want kids anywhere near your property, knowing that if one stabs another, it might be your fault, cause its your yard? If the kindermorons win, it will mean bad news for everyone.

Do any of you want to go back to using directories? I didn't think so.
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Old April 13th, 2006, 09:46 AM
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if someone here was roasting YOU guys without ANY KNOWLEDGE of the facts they were talking about ....


Sound like it's just SEO to me... working mostly with assumptions with few actual "FACTS"!
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well .... you know what they say about opinions ..... "everybody has one" ....

including yourself, yes...wouldn't be good if nobody had an opinion...

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and if people like to base an opinion on some second hand information some other uninformed person wrote ... that is their perogative ... as it is mine to point out that is a poor basis to lambasting someone ....
in that case, there are very little subjects that people can have an opinion about...so you don't have an opinion about politics, for example? cause i can hardly believe that you have all the facts mattering that...

actually, you're on the wrong side yourselves...you have an opinion about the things that have been said in this thread, without actually knowing the facts behind the opinions...
you're also talking about what you heard about the arkansas-case and you conclude that Google are trying to hide the facts...what facts do you have?...

ain't that actually the same kind of thing as this thread...people hearing stuff and then concluding something?

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if someone here was roasting YOU guys without ANY KNOWLEDGE of the facts they were talking about .... you know i would question their motives too (like maybe they are yahoo publicists instead of google enthouisats)
i couldn't care less if someone did...let people talk, it's their right to have an opinion, since there is the freedom of speech
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This case sounds exactly what a frivolous law suit law was made for. Suing a company providing a free service because they were listed first or in the top ten. GIVE ME A BREAK. Business have the right to choose with whom they do business. Period. Unless they can prove discrimination of some kind, they don't have a case. IHMO

Especially if they have dropped in rankings on OTHER SEARCH ENGINES and didn't sue them as well. What about their MSN or Yahoo ranking?
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Especially if they have dropped in rankings on OTHER SEARCH ENGINES and didn't sue them as well. What about their MSN or Yahoo ranking?


This is a good point to make. Unfortunately, Yahoo, Google and MSN use different algos, so while this might prove something, I don't think it will.

Take a look at all the threads where people complain that they are top 5 in yahoo or msn, but or no where to be found in google.
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I dont know if anyone has mentioned this before so appologise if i am going over old ground, but could this actual be a very clever move to sue google?...

would google inevitably then have to defend its corner ( if it had to prove a non descrimination position) and disclose how it ranked sites in order to prove it did not descriminate in its findings?...

if they had to go into detail and reveal more detailed algothrithms, then it could be up the creek as millions of sites rush to adjust their pages and force google to rethink its algarithms?...

i dont know..
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I dont know if anyone has mentioned this before so appologise if i am going over old ground, but could this actual be a very clever move to sue google?...


Along with your reasoning, think about how much free press this company has gotten since filing this lawsuit. Sure some of it will be bad because of the basis of their suit, but with everything being written about it they're definitely increasing their back link total.
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Along with your reasoning, think about how much free press this company has gotten since filing this lawsuit. Sure some of it will be bad because of the basis of their suit, but with everything being written about it they're definitely increasing their back link total.




You are right. They have just started one if the biggest debates in the 21st century. 'Can a company sue a search engine for ranking problems'..

Most of us think it cant happen, but you will still see this conversation plastered across 100's of forums, in the news, on article sites, blogs on sites...
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