Page 2 - Google sued over rankings (penalty)

I too was under the impression that it DID diversly effect you. hmm.. anyone else wanna chime in on this one?

(this was possibly the fastest response in the World)

You can submit your site as often as you like, but multiple submissions won't improve the likelihood of your site being added or accelerate the process. We don't penalize sites for "over-submitting"

Snipped from here (Section 2, paragraph 2).

Ahh yes, well played ClickyB

here is the snip you were after i think, i couldnt find it on that page you named. None the less, you are very right.

Big difference, the yellow pages are a PAID service. Just like google adwords. There is no reason why you or anybody else deserves to be in the top 10 in Google.

If they should be sued for anything, it should be for shutting down responsible adwords accounts, not telling the account holder why it has been shut down, or how to rectify it.

They have done it to countless people.

well .... one thing which is interesting is how so many MISINFORMED people here can attack this kinder care company ...... merely for suing google .....

I am SHOCKED by the outrageous and childish remarks i have read here abusing the executives of that company .... just because they had the audacity to sue google .... all the while no one here knows that company or its business nor those executives .... the only thing known is they have a bone to pick with google ....

I do NOT know the facts in this case either .... and NEITHER DOES ANY ONE ELSE POSTING here ..... so no one knows if they have a VALID claim or not.

ONLY One thing is certain .... i remember haring the SAME choris of "OH HOW ABSURD THIS IS" when google got sued over in arkansas ..... you can go back and read the post in that thread here if you can stand it ... i recall eberyone talking about how it was such a friviliouos suite and they ould never get a dime .... yea right ....

Well .... i heard google is offering 98 MILLION to try and get out of that case now .... and i also heard soome people plan to INTERVENE and object to that settlement as UNFAIR to the class not participating in the negotiations .... so maybe that case will get to court anyway.

When the discovery in this kinder care case is done .... MAYBE then the FACTS will be published and we can all know what the deal is ...... if google dont pay them off to HIDE the facts from the public .... like they are trying to do in the arkansas case .....


My advice to the seo's here ..... save yourself some embarassment and Stick to seo topics here .... and leave the legal handicapping to the attorneys who know what they are talking about.....

We are speculating, but what would the world be like if we didn't? the facts that I kno came from two different articles on the case. Joebob again you make valid arguments and you are always willing to offer a flip-side. I believe that their lawsuit wont go anywhere because the article stated that they are suing because they lost ranking which provided %70 of their traffic. You should go on FOX News or something with your FAIR and BALANCED opionions. You are certainly a much better thinker than I.

Must we be an expert if we wish to opine about a subject?

Only if you want to be RIGHT ..... do you think kinder care has gotten any MORE fair treatment by the press than they have got by people ragging on them in this thread? I say it is NOT LIKELY ...... so i would not take anything i heard in any press article or in this thread as anything othher than what is really is .... GOOGLE PROPAGANDA and google groopies singing the HALAULIA GOOGLE choris.

You know I keep hearing you all say its free to be listed in the search engines. Have any of you every really put thought into just how free it is? Last I checked my boss pays me a hefty salary to design and develop his web sites. Part of my job is to also work on seo. If a company were to hire a seo firm to help them in placement then wouldn't that also contribute to search engine placement that you call free? Yes you do pay for a yellowpage ad but you are also getting them to design and print the ad in their book for you. Another difference between yellowpages versus search engines is the listings are in alphabetical order so theres no better seo or black hat to bump you down.

Joebob is completely correct in his assertion that none of us are lawyers and that we don't know all the facts of the case. However, we do know that Google is a private service and makes no promises to anyone regarding their organic listings. We also know, through public records that one of the points of the lawsuit is that the plaintiff's first amendment rights to free speech were violated.

I will repeat that.

KINDER START SAYS GOOGLE VIOLATED THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS TO FREE SPEECH!

what kind of sue-happy world do we live in? The fact that a judge or some higher power didn't look at this case, laugh, and throw it in the garbage is itself a mockery of the judicial system. Not to go on some grandiose tangent, but these kinds of lawsuits end up costing us in tax dollars.

Furthermore, have any of you been to the kinderstart website? It's not terrible, but it's not exactly the peak of SEO either. Most of the front page is flash, which as we know, spiders can't see. There is also some Java. Another knock down on the SEO totem pole.

Dig a little deeper. Take a look at the source. The keywords aren't targeted whatsoever. Its just a loose string of words thrown into the tag. Since we're on the head, there is no author. There is no robots.txt tag. There is nothing up there except meta keywords and description. When you don't have anything in the head, it takes away from your creadability.

Let's move on, shall we? Look at all the content on the homepage. I'm sorry, you can't. BECAUSE THERE IS NONE! So, all those loosely strung keywords aren't backed up, because there is no content.

So lets keep going into the shadowy depths, shall we? Click on a link and you'll get... more links! woohoo! just what I wanted! So, we can now correctly classify this as a small directory. And as we all know, directories are slowly dying. Perhaps Google saw this trend and booted them to be proactive. Perhaps the spiders saw no content, and since there is no content, there can't be much of an update, so they left and google dropped them.

There are lots of holes in the kinderstart story. Freespeech? please! The fact remains that Google is a private company that makes no promises to anyone about its organic listings. Therefore, IMO, these folks don't have a leg to stand on.

And, joebob, I'm sorry to call these executives names. However, when you put your business in the hands of a free online service and don't have a backup plan, you truly are stupid. Regular people have back-up plans.

Think back a few years. Did anyone starve when webvan.com went under? Did anyone's pets starve when that site with the sockpupet (pets.com) went belly-up? No. And if they did, you would drive by their funeral and point and laugh and say "wow. you are stupid".

This goes to show that you can not put all your eggs in one basket. (expect all revenue from SE traffic) Other Marketing and advertising strategies are also important to hold the company in times of Google updates and algo changes.

Yeah google does have the right to their ranking. They created it so they can use it which ever way they want.

Rhonin: I agree with your sentiments and most of what you said but I can't agree with this bit...
The author tag is meaningless and the robots tag is only required if you want something other than "index,follow" (that being the default).

(Google, ebay, microsoft... none of them use any of the above)!

(Sorry to post O/T)!