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Old July 30th, 2005, 08:53 PM
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An "Authentic" High Paying Adsense Keyword List

Hey everyone,

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i plan on spending alot of time in here as i am very interested in affiliate marketing, and have used this forum several times in the past for information.

I have noticed that another thread in this forum was started with a similar title, and after reading it i noticed that the posters link was not very accurate for what it was supposed to be.

Though some of the terms in his list were "profitable" the amount by which was off in some terms by 20$ or more per click... while most of the werent even ranked.

I have in fact seen that guy post in several online marketing forums across the internet just to market his website (a simple search for "adsense keyword list" on google will reveal this)

Having researched this genre for a long time, i feel that those of you that are following his advice at least deserve a warning before doing so.

For those who are interested in an acurate keyword list that isnt 98% outdated, that is backed by names like Chris Pirillo, and that has more features than just a "name" and a "number", please look at:

http://www.adsense-keyword-list.com

This is a site i made to sell my keyword research, the link will also be in my sig for any future reference

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Old July 30th, 2005, 09:39 PM
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I was just lookign at this one

http://www.keyword-list.com/

I often just sort compare to overture
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Old July 30th, 2005, 10:00 PM
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Wow no wonder there are so many mesothelioma sites now:
http://www.keyword-list.com/?letter=M

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Keep in mind that this is not what you will earn (You won't get anywhere near $40 for Meso, for example). These are based on AdWords and include search data. Because more and more advertisers, especially on high value keywords, are opting out of Content for a variety of reasons, these numbers are never accurate.

Add to that the fact that Google does not disclose the percentage that you get (it varies although which factors are included are only theory), it can further change the list.

Another factor is that because these free lists are everywhere there is a lot more competition for these words and it is much more expensive (in regards to both time and money) to rank for the phrases that convert.

They are a good point of reference but evaluating them is a much more important skill as sometimes much lower paying keywords can bring you a lot more money.
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Another factor is that because these free lists are everywhere there is a lot more competition for these words and it is much more expensive (in regards to both time and money) to rank for the phrases that convert.


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while what you said is true, if you average out the top 3 (overture) bids, and rank them by the consistency of the average, you can have a very reliable (almost flawless) way to gage what the same bids are going for in adwords.

Your percentage is relient to the price the advertisers are paying for the word: The more they pay, the more you get.

If you go by average ranking, and not by top bid, you can find words with entirely better long term results

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while what you said is true, if you average out the top 3 (overture) bids, and rank them by the consistency of the average, you can have a very reliable (almost flawless) way to gage what the same bids are going for in adwords.

I realize that and agree. My point is what someone pays in Adwords does not always correlate to what Publishers get paid. Some industries have so much click fraud, none of the big guys use Content, therefore they aren't actually bidding on that side meaning what you are paid per click is mere pennies on the dollar of what that list quotes
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Your percentage is relient to the price the advertisers are paying for the word: The more they pay, the more you get.

Actually, the Publishers percentage is not a fixed rate and can change depending on a lot of factors. Although Google doesn't disclose the specifics, in my experience it is a similar equation to the AdWords system where you can recieve bonuses for metting certain factors.
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If you go by average ranking, and not by top bid, you can find words with entirely better long term results

I don't get how that determines long term results. Possibly if you combined it with Randfish's keyword difficulty tool, you would start to see the bigger picture. On its own, however, it just gives you a very general idea.

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i have my own algorithm similar that is available in the excel document that applies rank

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I would love to get that whole list in excel.
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it is in excel

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i decided to be capn cool pants and post some sample words

new york city accident lawyer - avg - $71 per click
account receivable factoring - avg - $17.66 per click
senior settlement - avg - $30.30 per click

use this to verify if you dont already use a tool
http://uv.bidtool.overture.com/d/search/tools/bidtool/

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working for a law firm that pays up to $50 per click i can definitely agree with jason on this one.

our firm tends to opt-out of any 'content' network for high paying keywords (especially 'mesothelioma') this is because we experience high levels of clickfraud, low conversions and thousands upon thousands of listings on scraper sites. in fact, we have around 60K due back to us, (just in the last month) because of click fraud issues.

also, i'm sure many of you have built a 'mesothelioma' page or two. (surely many of you have already tried) how much did you get paid per click? nowhere near $40 i'll bet.

a meso site i built a while back (before working here) only generated around .10-.20 a click ....
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There are many a pleb hawking those keyword lists round to the newbies.
Unfortunately for the `hawkers` there are some very experienced people on here so never be offended if what you post on a forum like this is pulled apart.
Some of the things you post on forums full of wanabbe seo`s may go down very well and they may really lap your information up with relish.
The problem you may have on forums like this is that these lists are very old school and i am not saying there are knowitalls on here but they are highly competent which is a rare trait you will find if you spend a lot on forums.

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And as you will well know.
The list you are selling for $25 is completely worth less becuse people no longer go for the high paying high competition.
The smarter ones go for low paying low competition.

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pick apart please, I have nothing to hide, the keywords in this list speak for themselves

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this list is the furthest thing from worthless!
I do understand your point though, but high conversion is a tactic that can be used with both high and low paying keywords.

Seriously, what would you rather have found, a niche that gets 10,000 visits a month with keywords at 15 cents a click, or a niche 10,000 visits a month at $30.00 (or more) a click.

There are alot of words in this list that are fairly untouched.

Also, while mesothelioma keywords are included with this list, (as they do pull profit if you know the right variables), i didnt stock it full of words in that relation. I think only 20 tops are mesothelioma related.

Unlike most, i actually spent time on this.
People with alot of credit have backed it up for a reason.

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